5/13/26 - 2146: Building a Business with a Kingdom Mindset

Jim: This is iWork4Him, where faith meets work and believers unleash their calling.

The kingdom. Jesus talked way more about the kingdom than he did the church. Why? What did he mean by the kingdom? He resisted anyone making him an earthly king, so where is this kingdom? Is it in heaven or is it on earth, or maybe somewhere else? No question this is a topic of grave misunderstanding amongst the average believer because it is not one of those regular sermon topics for Sunday morning. Jesus talked about the kingdom residing in us in Luke 21.

So how does that work? Does that mean there are two billion parts of the kingdom on the earth right now spread all over the globe? Why would Jesus do it that way? Wouldn't it be easier to just get it over with and have Jesus come back and establish his permanent kingdom now? Oh, if we only had the answers.

But in the meantime, we as followers of Jesus in the workplaces of America and around the world have a unique role. Our little part of the kingdom is supposed to be influencing our part of the world in a unique and powerful way each and every day. As I say often on this show, as a Jesus follower, that's the kingdom.

Geeta Chopra has an amazing Jesus story, and she's written a simple guide to developing and stewarding a kingdom mindset. Geeta Chopra, welcome to iWork4Him. And Geeta, is it Chopra or is it Choppra? I should have asked beforehand. I apologize.

Geeta Chopra: Hello, everyone. And it's Chopra just like Oprah, so that's a little trick to remember.

Jim: I apologize. Geeta Chopra, welcome to iWork4Him.

Geeta Chopra: Oh, I'm so blessed to be here. Thank you, Jim.

Jim: All right. So we always start off, with every new guest on the show we always start off with this question. Tell us your Jesus story. How did you become a follower of Jesus?

Geeta Chopra: Oh, wow, what a loaded statement.

Jim: For you, it is definitely a loaded statement.

Geeta Chopra: As everyone knows, I come from Hinduism, and I come from a long line of generational Hindus, not just randomly, but probably dating back to Adam as far as I would speculate. And being the first woman in my bloodline to accept Jesus Christ, I don't take it lightly, and neither has the devil taken it lightly.

How I came to Jesus is, wow, phew. I would say I got baptized on Mother's Day back in 2016, and what happened was a year before that, I was stuck in New Age, and I was searching, I was seeking. I would go to temples in India and sit there and meditate and just feel so empty. And I went throughout the whole country looking, reading, going to ashrams, which you wouldn't know what that is, but those are religious centers.

And then after that, it didn't satisfy me, so I took refuge in the New Age, only to be more disappointed. And one Sunday morning in 2015 in May, God woke me up and He said, "Go to church." The Holy Spirit gave me an explicit direction on which church to go to. He just put that vision in front of me and said, "Go to that church."

And I rolled over, and when I went back, back to bed, and I was like, "Okay, that's a good idea. I will." And then He woke me up immediately again and He said, "No. Go right now." So I got up, I went. I got out of bed, got dressed, and I walked into that church, and a year later, I got baptized and I never looked back, and I've been satisfied with the Lord ever since.

Jim: That's a great story, and there's so much more meat to that. I know you just gave us the very succinct version. But since you didn't grow up in the church, where did you learn that followers of Jesus really needed to learn how to have a kingdom mindset?

Geeta Chopra: And you know- ... so when you get baptized, Jim, as you, and as people would know who's watching this you dip in the water. So your body gets dipped in the water, you come back out, and the moment you come back out, you get a new spirit. You- it's no longer I that live, but Christ that lives through me, and that's Galatians 2:20. So I'm dead to sin, but now I'm alive to God through Christ Jesus in my spirit. But we also have a soul and we have a body.

So our mind is not renewed in that water, and we have to spend the rest of our Christian life renewing our mind, and that's Romans 12:2. That's why Paul said that, right? Because my spirit is done. I'm righteous. If God looks at me today, He doesn't see my sin, and believe me, I have sinned, even after being saved. But God doesn't see that. He calls me righteous.

It's my mind where the problem is lagging. I'm lagging behind in my spirit. So this book will help you to renew your mind, and we do that through the Word of God.

Jim: And Geeta is mentioning a book. She wrote this book, Kingdom Mindset, and it is really just a hand- it's a hand guide on how to develop that kingdom mindset, which is why I wanted to have her on today.

Because what I've realized, as a longtime believer- This is not a subject, a topic that's talked about very much, Geeta. It is a subject that most people don't understand. They d- they didn't, they don't understand that the Lord's Prayer when it says, "Thy kingdom come, thy will be done on Earth as it is in heaven," they don't really understand that.

They're like, they're thinking that means when Jesus comes back, that kingdom. Yet what I've come to realize, Geeta, is that what I did in my introduction. Every one of us that's a believer has a piece of the kingdom in them. We are a representation of the kingdom, which means there's now two-plus billion of us across the planet, so a quarter of the planet is operating the kingdom, and the planet is supposed to be blessed by that.

And that's what I w- wanted to really get into today is how do we become a blessing? By developing a kingdom mindset, how does that become a blessing to those around us? And I really wanna get into that today. Talk to me about what drove you to gain this understanding.

Geeta Chopra: Thank you, Jim, and every answer I have will lead back to the life of Jesus Christ.

So what really drove me was when I first came to Christianity, I noticed that Christians are not... Okay, let me rephrase. Many Christians are living as Hindus, and that's a provocative statement, but nonetheless true. They, we don't know what we have in Christ. First of all, we don't know we've, we're forgiven.

Many Christians are carrying guilt, and that's a sin. The Bible makes it clear, if God has grace and compassion towards us, who am I to then judge myself? We're not judges, right? And we're not supposed to judge our neighbor. But what about ourselves? So I carried a lot of guilt from Hinduism, because there's no savior in Hinduism. You have to atone for your own sins through a series of rituals. And the only thing sadder than that is to come to Christianity and find people doing the same thing.

So this has really provoked my spirit to get out there, write these books, speak, minister, and have people I pray and minister to coming back to how to do that. Jesus Christ, if we look at His temptations in the wilderness, and there was three of them, each time He didn't answer those negative thoughts with more thoughts. 'Cause I believe the Devil came to Him in a thought, not in the physical form. If it was physical, it's so easy.

It's "Oh, you're the Devil. Get out of here. I'm not gonna listen to you." But I believe it came in the form of a thought where it was tempting for Jesus, just like he comes to us today. Now, I could be wrong, but nonetheless, Jesus therefore answered him with another, with the scripture, not with a positive thought, like New Age teaches.

So if we want to build our kingdom mindset, we have to practice mind management, and the only way to do that is through scripture. We have to tear down strongholds in our mind. And believe me, we all have them. I had mine from Hinduism. And, it's breaking down a fortress of lies that, that's been built up in our mind for years, probably generations.

And we do that like Jesus did, by answering the Devil all day long with scripture. And if you don't know scripture, you've already lost the game. So read the Word. That's what I talk about in my book on how to attain this thing, 'cause we can all attain it.

Jim: What I love is you talk as if s- you, you're someone that's had 40 years to study this, and y- you've got theological studies and, you've got a doctorate in this, doctorate in that. But that's not at all the case. You're not even old enough to say 40. You're, this is, you're just a kid compared to me, and that's what I praise the Lord about. You have ... God has grabbed you, and you grabbed onto God, and through Jesus, your life has been transformed, and you're really studying this because this, you see the freedom that following Jesus brings.

You've seen that in your own life, and you're like, "Why doesn't everybody else have that same freedom?" You brought up something, and I wanna do this before I get to go to a break and highlight a sponsor. The guilt. Any time there's guilt and shame, as believers, we need to recognize that's not from God, because God doesn't deal in guilt.

But we grow up in a world, certainly this country, having me growing up in the Midwest, you living in the Northeast, there's a lot of Catholic influence, which talks about a lot of guilt. But the Baptists are really good at guilt, too. "You did what on Saturday night? You went to a dance?" And that kind of ridiculous stuff.

But even more not to be driven by avoiding guilt is this forgiving ourselves. Because you are right that way too many believers have missed the point, i- because it's, Jesus said, "Hey, we need to love our enemies and pray for those that persecute us," but then He goes on to say after the Lord's Prayer, He goes on, "Hey, but if you got somebody that's got something against you, s- just stop your sacrifice right there, go and reconcile with them, and then come back and complete your sacrifice."

Most of the time, we always focus out on other people that have offended us or that we've offended. But it, Geeta, it's that forgiving one's self that seems to be the hardest thing to do. How have you dealt ... Because you brought it up, so I'm gonna put you on the spot. How have you dealt with learning to forgive yourself?

Geeta Chopra: The hardest thing I ever had to do- ... in my Christian walk, and I still challenge to do that today, Jim, is forgiving myself. But it goes back to obedience. Jesus commands me. He doesn't suggest it. He says even forgive your enemies, and I could be my own enemy, but He says to forgive ourselves because He forgave us.

So I have to obey Him, and obedience to me is super important. It's the shovel to get to digging out strongholds, obeying God. And it comes along very strongly alongside the cousin of repentance, which is, and all of these are in my book, dedicated chapters to each topic. But grace is maybe how I will triumph this, by saying that Jesus Christ loves us so much, and we can't fathom this.

And there was a time in my life just a couple years ago in my Christian life where I just broke down and started crying because God just started pouring His grace on me, and that's in the book. And I realize that it really- It's true. God really does love us that much. And this sounds so simplistic how it's coming out, but when you understand that, it'll shift your spiritual DNA, your mindset, and you will never, ever go back to the same way.

And that grace is what helps me to forgive myself, and you can't explain it. You can only experience it. And if you wanna obey Jesus, look, go back to His original commandment. It's love, Jim. Love the Lord your God and your neighbor as you love yourself. That's a lot of love and summarized in two commandments but yourself is in there.

Jim: But when you look at developing a kingdom mindset, your book, you can't do it without doing what Jesus said. Jesus summarized the entirety of the law and the prophets in two sentences: love God, love people. And Christians aren't really good at loving people. We need to... That, if those two billion people on the planet loved just three more of their neighbors, that would cover all eight billion people on the planet.

We need to love our neighbors. Just think about it. Or maybe it's four people. I don't know how to do the math. But if those two billion love three people, that would be, if each one loved another... Yeah, that makes us eight billion. That gets us there.

Geeta Chopra: Oh.

Jim: So but we need to love our neighbors. It, the kingdom mindset is completely useless if you haven't learned to love God and love your neighbor. That's why I like to say it, that a- as a believer, everything about us should be changing, and everyone around us should be benefiting from our faith whether they believe in Jesus or not. That's the kingdom.

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So Geeta, tell us the heart behind your book. What drove you to say, "I have got to write this"? I got a guess as to what it would be, but what's the real reason?

Geeta Chopra: Yeah, and I b- I built, I wrote that book alongside building my company, which is the Christian Business Directory, so a lot of lessons from building my startup are in there. And God told me to put all those lessons in a book because, when you are a Christian entrepreneur, God exposes all the unhealed parts of you. Someone said that, and I really appreciated that quote. I took it-

Jim: Say that again. Nice and slow, 'cause it was good

Geeta Chopra: When you become a Christian entrepreneur, God exposes all the unhealed parts of you.

Whe- whatever it is, pride, insecurity, greed, stubbornness, right? So God showed me some things that I needed to repent from, and I wouldn't have unless they came face to face with me in my company, 'cause it's easy to just put things aside if they're in your personal life. "I'll deal with it later."

But if you want to do well and, if your revenue's at stake, you have to face, get up and face certain things every day, which are personality flaws or, character defects that God still wants to build. God built patience in me, for example, and I believe that's one of the chapters.

Jim: You didn't pray for patience, did you?

Geeta Chopra: Oh, yeah, how dare I do that, right? And be careful what you ask for, because I'm much more patient than I was a year ago sitting in this chair. But also sitting in this chair today I know that Jesus Christ owns my time, talent, and treasure. Nothing belongs to me.

It's all owned by him. And God gave Moses the grace or the blueprint to build the tabernacle. He gave Noah the blueprint to build the ark, and he gave David the blueprint to build the temple. And look, God gave me the blu- blueprint, to build this company, and I have to do it through obedience. So there was just too much pouring into me to not write this book.

Jim: Oh, okay. Hang on. You just said something so powerful we have got to stop there for just a second. I don't mean to interrupt you, because we are talking with Geeta Chopra. She wrote the book Kingdom Mindset. I recommend you get a copy of it. It's available on Amazon.

This blueprint thing. Again, I grew up white evangelical, and I say that because that really does clarify exactly where I grew up. I grew up in a church that talks a lot about reaching people of, for evangelism, not a lot about the kingdom. I grew up in a church that talks a lot about the application of my faith to Sunday and not to any other hour of the week.

Kingdom Mindset deals differently with that. And as a business guy, I've been an entrepreneur since I was eight years old. I started selling door-to-door greeting cards as an eight-year-old, so that's a long time ago. And Geeta, what I learned just in June of 2018 was that God has a blueprint for me.

If I would just ask him for the answers, he would give them to me. And then a buddy of mine wrote a book, oh, I suppose right around that same time that as our... It's called Our Unfair Advantage, Dr. Jim Harris. As we have the Holy Spirit in us, he has access to all the answers in the entire world, but we have to ask.

So how did you develop this kingdom mindset to understand that, how did you come to the understanding that God's got a blueprint for you?

Geeta Chopra: John 16:13 says, "I will tell you what's to come," right? So we have that upper advantage, and I talk a lot about that in my book too, 'cause God saved me from going to see psychics and astrologers, which is a large part of Hinduism.

And when I realized that the Holy Spirit will just tell you the future and I said, "I'm gonna give that up, and I'm gonna follow you forever, Lord." And ever since then, He tells me what's to come, and I'm so grateful. I don't take that lightly sitting here. I say this with great humility, 'cause not everyone hears from Him in that way.

But, it's, how did He tell me? I pray into it. A lot of my answers come in the morning. My morning time is very precious. I don't compromise that for anyone. I'll wake up before sunrise and I don't like waking up in the morning. Before I got saved, my flesh loves to sleep in.

That's the best part of sleeping for me. But I'll hear from God when I sacrifice that sleep, and I notice on the days that I don't hear from Him as much or a certain revelation doesn't come through. But, when you walk with the Lord and you really spend time in His presence, which is the Word of God, and even fellowship in the presence of other believers, such as yourself, this conversation, God will speak to you, and when you're worshiping at church, i'll get, I'll download revelation about what I need to do in my business when I'm worshiping Him a- singing a song or something. So it comes in different ways.

Jim: But you also have to balance that with the fact that we don't always get the answers we want. Not, not- ... not that we want, but we don't always get the answers that we're asking for.

Because sometimes God just wants us to walk in faith. He may tell us to do the most ridiculous thing when He gives you that blueprint, and you're like, "Yeah, God, but that doesn't work. This is... you live in Connecticut. This doesn't work on the East Coast. I live in Missouri. It doesn't work in the Midwest either, God. What are You thinking?"

And He's "But that's what I'm asking you to do." That's where faith comes in. He may describe to you what the next steps are, and you have to work past the, "But as a businessperson, that just doesn't make sense, God. H- Have You had your coffee this morning? Are You thinking straight?"

For me, it would be, "Mountain Dew, God. You need Mountain Dew. We're not... We need some clarity on this." But that's really... Sometimes God gives us a blueprint, Geeta, that doesn't really make sense. Like- Yeah ... yours and your situation. Come on. Tell everybody your situation. God gave you a blueprint to run a Christian company, the Christian business directory, then He told you to do it in a what?

Geeta Chopra: If I told you all the things the Holy Spirit told me that didn't make sense, I'd, I think you'd be shocked, really shocked. There's times where I've been sick and God said, "No, don't take that medicine," even though I knew it was the medicine, and He said, "No, this is something spiritual. I'm healing you in a different way."

Most believers wouldn't do that. And, God has called me to such a standard of obedience, and He tested me. He tested me the way He tested Moses and the Israelites in the wilderness because He said, "If you obey me with this small thing, I'll give you bigger things." So there was a series of obediences before He gave me this company, 'cause I believe this company's gonna be huge.

And even the way I built the company. He's, He told me to hire Muslims to, as my first team of developers. I hired them. I eventually had to fire them, but I didn't fire them until the Holy Spirit told me to fire them. I wanted to get rid of them long before I actually did, but I obeyed the Holy Spirit. Why? Back then it didn't make sense. Today it does. So there's been a s-

Jim: Wait wait ... s- Just explain why. Would you just stop jumping over? You just wanna get to the details. Tell us those details. Why does it make sense today and it didn't make sense then? What do you know now that you didn't know then?

Geeta Chopra: Yeah, and I'm trying to be careful on what I can reveal publicly. But, I- God used me to minister to them is probably the summary of it, and He used them to build patience and character in me, which I'm still using today with the Christians that I eventually hired, thank God. Wait a minute. But God put me through it.

Jim: Which was harder, working with the Muslims or the Christians? Don't answer that question on the air. Yeah. Okay.

Geeta Chopra: No, it's hands down working with Muslims- ... because y- they don't have the conviction of the Holy Spirit. When you work with Christians, there's always gonna be that understanding or that repentance the next day if someone makes a mistake, the humility, and if there's not, you just pray for that conviction.

The Holy Spirit can speak to another Christian. I don't know if it's easy as, for Him to speak to an unbeliever, right? I know He spoke to me when I was an unbeliever and told me to get up and go to church that morning, but in my experience it's easier once someone has that seed in them, that's it. It never goes away.

So you can pray into that. But look, there was a lot of things the Holy Spirit asked me to do that just don't make sense, and I know that my family thought I was crazy, my church, some of my pastors even were like, "What is... What? That's not the way, that, it's not rational." So I put it in my book, Jim.

The Holy Spirit's word is not always gonna make sense in human terms, and most believers can't get over that, and they miss their destiny. They miss a destiny moment at least. And I made it a point to not do that. I don't care what God tells me, I will do it. I don't care how crazy it sounds, with the grace of God I'll do it. So far anyway. Praise God.

Jim: It's so true. Everything you just said was, is so true, but that's because we need to be trained. That's why more discipleship, not a program, but a lifestyle needs to happen. Because Geeta, as you've learned all the things you're learning about, how many young women are you pouring your training into? Because that's how it passes on, that's how it grows. How many women are you pouring your life into?

Geeta Chopra: Three people have come up to me the last month and asked me to mentor them. Of course, they're all women. And I found that really cool because, it's sometimes when you repent and you feel like you're at your lowest point or you just committed a sin "Oh, I can't believe I made that mistake again."

And it's at that time, I'll get the phone call like, "Hey, can you mentor me?" Or like... And it's God's way of showing me, "I'm still using you. I love you." And it's those moments, Jim, that are destiny moments that just changes everything. But yes, God does want me to mentor people, and He has called me to that standard, so I, I have a responsibility. It's, we can't be lazy Christians. We can't be lazy Christians here.

Jim: Y- because those two words don't go together. If you're a believer and you'll find that I don't use the word Christian very often on this show because people don't really know what it means. But when they say they're a Jesus follower or a believer in Jesus, then that's a whole different world.

It's easy to say, "I'm a Christian." It's another thing to say, "I follow Jesus." Because people know about Jesus, everybody knows about Jesus on this planet. They know about Him. They know that He had the different standard, and we need to follow it. I wanna talk about the Christian business directory.

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Geeta, God not only directed you to write this book, Kingdom Mindset, which we've just barely skimmed the surface of, but he also said, "Hey, build the Christian business directory." Tell us about this project God's got you working on.

Geeta Chopra: Yeah. So I was in a, I was in a partnership with another person for a trucking company, a family member, and it suddenly went silent, so my ownership just became, I became a silent partner, and I had some time on my hands.

And God wanted to use my time for the kingdom, so in that exact moment, He told me, "Get up, build this company." He gave me the vision. I was on an airplane heading to Florida, I remember, and I was doing an interview for my book actually going to Florida for that. And He spoke to me, and He told me what to do, and He gave me, He laid it all out, so I did it.

And what we're doing is we're building a twofold purpose directory, supply side and demand side. So one, we're supplying the Christian small business owner a platform to list their business and be s- seen by the world and benefit from our SEO. And then we're providing a safe platform for the Christian consumer to find professionals that uphold their biblical values.

So we vet all these professionals and we put the two of them together in one place so you can go happy fishing. And we do that because for such a time as this in the secular marketplace it's politically incorrect to do that, but God called me out, say, "Look, this is much needed. I'll support you. I'll back you up. I'll make sure it takes off." So this is his kingdom that we're building, and we've had a great public response. Many people are excited about it.

Jim: So Geeta, is the people that you've got on the website, is it right now primarily located in the Northeast, the business that you're dealing with? Or is this expanding nationwide already?

Geeta Chopra: Oh, that's way, way too small for the Holy Spirit. It's global. He told me every country. So we've got partners in Pakistan, India, Nigeria, Kenya, UK, hopefully Poland now. We're looking at Australia. We're available in every country, and we're looking at making partnerships in every country.

Jim: Wow. Wow, what a vision. The vetting thing is something that I wanna hit on because that, there's a lot of directories that supposedly list Christians on them, and I've experienced some of them are neat and some of them are not. You mentioned SEO, so this is all online. How do you make sure that these are people that are gonna do what they say they're gonna do?

Geeta Chopra: So they have free will, I'll just- ... preface it by that, but my personal guarantee to every consumer is that I will vet them before they ever create a profile on our app. So they're asked to sign a statement of faith, and if they do sign it they get a golden cross verification on their profile.

If they don't. So buyer beware if someone has not signed it, they won't have that golden cross. Now the next question is, the obvious one, is if they do sign it and they're not really Christian, they just signed it they'll be eventually be exposed. That's my prayer. We're gonna be praying daily, and we have a public review system to back that up.

So if you sign the golden cross sorry the statement of faith and you receive a golden cross, but then you're not really acting in the principles of the Lord, you're gonna get bad public reviews, 'cause we allow consumers to leave reviews on there as well. And we can remove people, so we're gonna have a team, proactively doing that and monitoring that as well. I- But we trust the Lord to bring the right people.

Jim: How do you find this online?

Geeta Chopra: So we're going live soon. It's excellencedirectory.com. Please go there, check out our landing page. Join the wait list. This may be live by the time this pro- show airs.

Jim: Okay. Very good. Excellencedirectory.com. Excellencedirectory.com. Because as believers, everything about us should be defined by the excellence we demonstrate in our work. No question. Because everything about us has been changed because of the power of the Holy Spirit inside of us. Geeta, I love this conversation. We could talk for five hours, I know that, but we're limited.

I'd like to give you the last almost the last word, but what final words of encouragement do you have for everybody listening today, whether it's about the kingdom mindset, running a business what ... Final word to the audience today.

Geeta Chopra: Wow. Something deep in my heart and just heavy on my spirit is the Bible says the repentance of God, sorry, the goodness of God brings the repentance of man.

So I just wanna encourage anyone out there who's heavy laden and carrying sin and trying to do it in their own way, and I'm speaking to believers and unbelievers right now. Go and ask Jesus for his grace. Just lay it at his feet. Give him your burden, give him your heaviness, 'cause he really does love you.

And, you have a great destiny ahead and the Lord just loves you beyond you can ever know, so give him a chance. And if you don't know Jesus, I really wanna encourage you that, look at my background, where I came from as a Hindu, from New Age, to conf- from confusion to the truth, capital T.

Give Jesus a chance. Ask him who he is. Ask him to reveal himself in your life, and you will never look back.

Jim: Geeta Chopra, thank you so much for being on iWork4Him today, th- for sharing your story. I have a feeling this is only one of many interviews we'll do over the years, because as God reveals things to you, you're gonna need to reveal those to many other people. Geeta, thank you for being on iWork4Him today.

Geeta Chopra: God bless.

Jim: You've been listening to iWork4Him with your host, Jim Brangenberg. I'm a Christ follower. My workplace, it's my mission field, but ultimately, iWork4Him