iRetire4Him 166: When God Aligns a Couple for Their Next Assignment
Jim: Your retirement years can be 30 years filled with meaning and purpose as long as you connect your faith and your retirement days.
Martha: Welcome to iRetire4Him. We are your hosts, Jim and Martha Brangenberg. Check us out online at iRetire4Him.com.
Jim: You know when life brings you lemons, you make lemonade. When adversity comes upon you, you grasp tighter onto the Lord. When you get adversity and lemons, what do you do then? Peter Lawry is a coach, a business leader, a prophetic intercessor, a husband, a father, and a grandfather.
But three years ago, the Lord said to him, Peter, you're never gonna get another regular paycheck again." So Peter is retired, but hardly quitting, just getting started working with business leaders from around the world, helping them to hear the voice of God with regard to their business and lives.
Enter Tini Lawry, best friend to Peter, wife, mother, grandmother, and world-renowned leader within the Lions Club International - retired, but hardly quitting, just getting started mentoring 15 to 30 year olds. All right, so when you're retirement age, but just getting started, what does that look like? And how do their two stories mesh together for the kingdom?
Let's see. Oh, and did I mention Peter and Tini are from just outside Christchurch, New Zealand? They're here today with us in studio in Marionville, Missouri. Let's hear from them how this story is developing. Peter and Tini, welcome to iRetire4Him.
Peter Lawry: Nice of you. Thanks, Jim.
Martha: Tini liked that you said she's world-renowned. (laughter)
Tini Lawry: I have been overseas, so yes ...
Jim: I typed in your name and typed in Lions Club, and I got paragraphs and paragraphs about you. So you are world-renowned because I live on the other side of the globe from you and I found you just like that, so that makes you- And now she, now you're known ... world-renowned.
Martha: That's right.
Jim: All right, so you both have storied careers and storied lives, having lived in many cultures. Does the New Zealand culture embrace retirement like we do here in the States, Tini?
Tini Lawry: No. No not really. W- we're an immigrant country, so lots of people have immigrated there over the centuries, but so their retirement usually gets you can see they have longer holidays or vacations, and it's usually family-orientated. So they would go and see their children, grandchildren, or even elderly parents still.
And they might be overseas. Quite often they are overseas. Could be in Australia, but also in Europe or where they are. So I think the retired people really have now the time to make a longer vacation to do it. And I would say it is always family-orientated.
Jim: But Peter, you're British, y- but lived in the UK, lived in Singapore, lived in-
Peter Lawry: Not Singapore, Hong Kong.
Jim: Hong Kong. Hong kong. I get that every time. I get it in my head. Hong Kong, the other British electorate. Okay. And also in parts of Africa, also British, English-speaking Africa. But the UKers, they retire. But you're in New Zealand. Yes. How does that culture mesh with your thinking on retirement?
You're not 59 anymore. You're in your 60s. Do you get to retire?
Peter Lawry: I don't think I do get to retire. I don't, I, I don't think that retirement is actually part of God's plan, to be honest... not in the sense of, "Oh, now I can just stop, sit on the sofa and be a couch potato." I, I don't think that is God's idea of retirement- at all. I think that He switches our focus, and particularly gives us the opportunity to pass the baton on to the next generation or to generations to come. And I find that incredibly exciting. And along that journey, you also get the opportunity to do a lot of things you really enjoy doing. Whether you're being paid for it or not doesn't really matter.
Jim: So you say couch potatoes. So they have couch potatoes in New Zealand, too? (laughter)
Peter Lawry: Yeah, they do. Sadly. They do.
Jim: Really? Okay, so but I imagine it's a different flavor. Like here, that would be- Yeah ... nacho cheese, you know- Yeah. ... chips. Yeah. What is the, what's the flavor in... Is that kiwi flavor then? Is that what that is? Oh, that's an inside joke.
Peter Lawry: Not al- not allowed to eat kiwi. Kiwi is our national bird and highly protected. Oh. See, in America, that's a fruit, and we eat all kinds of kiwi. Okay.
Martha: But not kiwi chips. Okay, we've had a lot of fun, though, with this comparison between New Zealand and America- We have, and the different cultures that you guys have grown up in. So would you say, though, before we move on from this, that your perspective on retirement is a widely accepted understanding of retirement, at least beyond, among believers in New Zealand? Or is it just a catching on thing?
Peter Lawry: No. It's inherent in our culture.
Martha: Okay.
Peter Lawry: I think as Tini said, some of us are first generation there, so we are both. So consequently family becomes incredibly important in that because we didn't have family- ... for a lot of our upbringing. So I think New Zealanders do tend to stick where they have been for work because that's often where their kids are.
If their kids have moved, they will often move to meet the kids. If there's nobody local that they can go to, as Tini said, they'll often even travel back home to be with family and to be with those who are important for them.
Tini Lawry: Yeah. And I think you have far more time. Yeah. You're not 40 hours a week at work what keeps you at, in certain places. You, so you got the time to, to help out your children with things, Yeah, babysitting is only one of them, but but also helping with their gardens or other things. And yeah. So it, it's more it's the brilliance of having this time to do it.
Martha: For sure. Okay, so right now, what does God have each of you doing? Peter, why don't we start with you?
Peter Lawry: I have a number of different things that I'm doing. I work with business owners still on a pro bono basis usually to bring a prophetic consultancy into the business arena. So what we're looking there is to allow the voice of God to speak into the business, both to provide strategy, but also to unlock things that are happening in the business, sometimes to bring out of the darkness into the light, sometimes to provide new direction.
So that's one element of what I do. But essentially, that's really just bringing the Kingdom of God into business. So if you bring the Kingdom of God into business, you can do it elsewhere, and that's what I discovered, too. So I am the prayer ministry coordinator in our church. I run a prophetic discipleship group.
I've run a breakfast group for business people in the town in the past. It's not running anymore. But I do quite a lot, we both do quite a lot with our families, and actually, one of our daughters has just moved into the town where we are, which bucks the trend of parents having to move towards them.
So that's really nice. So we've now got two of our children living in the same town. Oh. Which gives us six of our eight grandchildren right on our doorstep, and that's lovely.
Martha: That's great. And Tini, what about you? What does God have you doing?
Tini Lawry: I think it's mainly relationships with people. Because I'm retired I can do hiking, and I'm in, in biking groups. Of course, church friends. Apart from the church friends, most of the other groups I'm in and in the Lions and the Leos, then the Lions International. So I'm in contact with lots and lots of people on a reasonably intimate way because you're hiking for hours and you're biking for hours, so you got times of talking. So I've got always the feeling, and most of them are non-Christians.
Jim: We like to call them pre-believers on iWork4Him.
Tini Lawry: Yeah, pre-believers.
Jim: And- Because it says that every knee will bow and every tongue will confess that Jesus is Lord.
Tini Lawry: Yes. And I'm trying to, I'm trying to convince them of that. (laughter) It's only a matter of time. That's right. But yeah, so I feel that God has placed me in those groups.
Jim: You're influencer. You're an influencer. You're just not a social media influencer, you're an influencer in person. You're real life influencer. Face-to-face. Wow.
Tini Lawry: Face-to-face. Yes.
Jim: All right. So when you guys left New Zealand, you guys had this bifurcated path. You guys, Peter doing his thing, Tini's doing her thing, but I sensed that this trip... And then we've been together if you're not watching the video on YouTube or on Rumble, we're together in studio.
These guys are not calling in on Zoom via, from New Zealand. We're together. We've spent the last three weeks together. We're in the same time zone. Same time zone. Same oxygen. Otherwise, 19 time zones, it's very hard to coordinate, by the way, doing a podcast. I sensed coming here was gonna be a, an opening to you guys starting to do things more together.
And I've seen it. I've witnessed it. When we were at the US Christian Chamber event in Orlando, Peter was the headliner. He was one of the keynote speakers. He closed out the entire conference. But when I saw you guys work in the room, I saw Peter do his thing, and I'd see Tini come behind him and go "And Peter, I also heard this, and what about this?"
And you started talking into people. Tini has as much of - her prophetic gift looks different than Peter's, but she speaks truth into people, but she listens really ... she'll sit there and be quiet. She doesn't wanna say anything. Peter really probably d- neither of them are fighting for the stage.
But you guys were doing this apart, but I saw God really orchestrate a togetherness in this mission in Orlando and the last three weeks we've spent together. What are you hearing from God, Tini, about maybe when you head back in a few days?
Tini Lawry: Yes, because I definitely came with this idea of I was the support crew or tagging along with Peter.
Jim: Yeah, I noticed Peter was carrying, you were carrying Peter's bag a lot.
(laughter)
Tini Lawry: Yeah, I know. Getting cups of tea. Yes very much the support and yeah, picking up what, what's coming out, Because other people have actually spoken into me that they said Tini, you actually, you're part of this."
And seeing that from a fresh perspective, because these people didn't know us from, about us. So that's that actually worked into me, and I think, yeah, all the preparations, what God has done, I can also see it, it might come together somehow. And that I'm actually not just yeah, tagging along, but that I'm integral part of what is, what God is doing.
Jim: Yeah. So we like to say you're n- you're no longer Peter, just Peter's arm candy. You are part of the ... You're really a team. You guys are in, doing a waltz together in the kingdom. Yeah.
Martha: I just wanna speak to the retired people listening right now, because one of the things that I hear you guys saying is the fact that God has given you years of getting to know each other.
And so we often can anticipate, or if we're in the room with our spouse and we can tell what our spouse is hearing- ... and what they're responding to, but then you might also catch that they missed something. And who better than a spouse to be able to say, "Oh, I heard something you may not have heard, and I want you to know about it."
God gives us an amazing perspective when we have years of relationship with each other. And so in retirement, I encourage everyone that's listening to really think about that and how you complement, if you still have your spouse, tho- those years of experience you have together that God can use in an amazing way, because you know each other better than anyone else.
Tini Lawry: Yeah. Sure.
Jim: Yeah. Peter, what about you? Has your perspective changed on this at all?
Peter Lawry: Yeah, it has, I think. We didn't really choose to be on two parallel pathways. At one stage we did quite a lot together, but God then appears to have engineered different areas and different openings for us, and it's been a real thrill for me to see Tini move into leadership roles within the Lions Club.
And we're both Lions members, but I've kept in the background of that one, and she's been the one who's really found her feet there. And I, coming together here has been an opportunity for us to bring the things we have learnt in the last few years, and put them together. And yes, whilst I might be the person on a platform every now and again speaking as you mentioned, Jim I never really seek the platform. I'm not interested in the platform, not interested in status. What I want to do is lift Jesus up. And that has r- I think we've really found a way of doing that together this time.
'Cause I watched Tini work in the crowd as well, so as, we were praying for the sick at one stage at a business conference and that was terribly exciting to see God do some remarkable healings in that context. But you and Martha and Tini were all working around with the crowd, actually, mopping up bits and pieces that I had missed.
And it's been really lovely for us to do that together, and I'm looking forward to finding out how do we take this forward from here, 'cause it seems that God is now answering a prophetic word that we received 18 months ago, that he would give us something to do together again. And I think that's something I'm really excited about and really looking forward to.
Jim: I keep hearing, and you guys might wanna check out the iWork4Him podcast we did with Tini and Peter. Check out iWork4Him at iwork4him.com, the latest podcast with them. But I keep hearing the New Zealand Christian Chamber of Commerce. I don't know, I'm just throwing it out there. (chuckles)Martha?
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Martha: All right, Tini, so you are busy pouring your life into your kids, your grandkids, and other people's kids through the Lions Club and Leo. You're discipling them with the context of the Lions Club International. So how is the Lions Club a kingdom initiative? How do you see that?
Tini Lawry: It's, in, in a way it's quite restrictive because within the Lions Club and then with the Leo Club is functioning in an, a state high school-
Jim: Leos are the younger kids.
Tini Lawry: Yes. Yeah. That are the ones the ones that are doing sort of 13 to 18 there. You're not allowed to preach the gospel. So the only way you can actually show that you are a Christian is actually living out the characteristics of Jesus. That's, h- how you are and stuff like that.
And also the principles, I think what you do within the Lions Club I, I was for two years the president there and you have problems. So it is problem-solving, things I actually did according to the Biblical principles of how to do that. And that works tremendous because, you know yourself that, but dealing with if there's a problem you go to the person themselves instead of gossiping about it and try to get support somewhere else. So that's a great principle which you can actually put in a function like Lions.
Martha: Which we should in everything we do, right?
Tini Lawry: I know we should. I know we should, but-
Martha: It's good practice ... yeah.
Jim: But you're also a grandmother to 88 grandchildren or something like that. Eight, like eight or nine- whatever it is, going on 10. Eight, eight. Yeah. Whatever it is. Yeah. Leave it to eight. Yeah. But I think, let me ask this question. Is being a grandmother a kingdom initiative?
Tini Lawry: Oh, definitely, and I won't have the distri- restrictions of not being able to preach the gospel. Which I don't, I actually don't preach. I've feel that there is relationships with them- ... is the most important thing. So it is that they have, they can trust me. I'm transparent. I believe in them. I'm not judgmental. And I've got a great relationship with them. Yeah. I spent time with them in, in, in their whatever they're doing.
And that has resulted in a great relationship that they tell me things they probably won't tell their parents. And, and that's, that is lovely.
Jim: Unless they listen to this podcast. (laughter)
Tini Lawry: Yeah. Sorry. Now they're gonna know.
But yeah, so I can pray with them on the on, on the spot when there is something going on. I can show what the Holy Spirit does in me. So they see that and they got lovely ways of, of- talking to me about that or what their experiences are, especially the older ones who are now 14 and nearly 16. So that is the times that they have questions.
Martha: Yeah. And you've already developed that relationship with them so they know that you are a go-to person. And that's such a beautiful thing. So have you always lived with that kind of kingdom intentionality?
Tini Lawry: No, not at all. I was brought up in, in church, just what had the, see, now I'm looking for a word. What's the word, Peter? I'm not sure. Just describe it. I'll help you out. Pe- oh, okay. So they were ordained. Okay. To do anything in church or, or- ... to do anything, the, you had to have people who were ordained were the only ones- who could actually do things in the kingdom. So you had to, for teaching, prophesying, even evangelizing those kind of things were all, you had to be ordained, or before you had the authority to actually do that. So 10 years ago, I learned that we all have the authority, all believers can have the authority through Christ to bless to heal, to prophesy, to teach to do all these things, and that gave me such freedom. And that changed my, my way of looking, my way of praying, my way of interacting- ... with people that yeah, that I could do that.
Jim: So important. Everybody listening, hear what Tini just said because that that you gotta be ordained, that's out of the Book of Second Hesitations. (laughter)
That's, it's not in there, people. It's not there. That many of you have been given a pastoral gift. Many of you have been given a ministry gift. Many of you have been given a teaching gift. Those are gifts that are given to you by the Spirit, Holy Spirit of God, to be used right where you're at, to live with meaning and purpose in your retirement years, to get back in the action.
Get out of the- to get out of the grandstands of life and get back in the playing field. Maybe you're not running the plays anymore, but maybe you're being a coach. But it's so important that you recognize that God's given you those gifts, men and women, teaching gifts, preaching gifts, ministering gifts, pastoring gifts- peter, help me out the rest of them. I'm, I'm- ... the five-fold gift.
Peter Lawry: Apostle, prophet, evangelist, pastor, teacher.
Jim: Yeah. Yeah. That's for both men and women. And recognize that God has given you that, and you've got the freedom and the time to use those gifts all day long in your retirement years.
Peter, God told you three years ago, I mentioned this in the opening, God told you three years ago that don't really expect a regular paycheck anymore. That's not gonna happen. Basically, you were being sidelined- But you were put on free agent status with no salary cap.
Peter Lawry: I like the way you said that. There is a way to say it. That's really nice. Yeah, I really like that.
Jim: Did that freak you out?
Peter Lawry: No, not... not with you saying that. No, that didn't freak me out at all. It took me by surprise. I've f- it's six years since I earned a regular income or salary. And the first three years were really just me following a journey with God, which felt a little bit like Abraham. I felt like God has said, "Peter, come on this journey." And, w- whenever I said where are we going, Lord?" It was the impression I got back was, "You just don't need to know. Follow me." "This is a journey of faith. Will you just take one step at a time and I'll lead you."
So for three years that had been going on, and I kept saying, "Lord, this doesn't look like a business anymore. What have I got my hands on?" "What have you given me?" And He said to me, "Where do you see the fruitfulness in your life?" And at that moment I began to realize that the mentoring that I was doing with some young teenagers, the preaching I was doing in certain environments, the groups that I was running, the people that I speak to on a regular basis in a coffee shop, the there was just so many things I was doing. I thought, "Oh, my goodness, God is actually, He's put me into full-time ministry." And I hadn't really realized that until that point, but it was.
Jim: So hang on, because we're gonna capture that. Okay. You were in full-time ministry before that point in time. You just didn't realize it, because as a business guy, ... you were full-time ministry. All the different things, but all of a sudden the light bulb went off and "Hey, I'm actually in ministry."
Because people need to realize full-time ministry does not mean you work in a church... or in some... It can. And it doesn't mean you're overseas in missions. Full-time ministry means you're dedicated to letting God use all 24 hours a day of your life. Then you're a full-time ministry. That, that's the critical thing.
Martha: And you may not get a paycheck for it. (laughing)
Peter Lawry: And you may not get a paycheck for it. I know. No.
Jim: Tini, when Peter got that voice from God that said, "Hey, you're not gonna get a regular paycheck," did that freak you out?
You're Dutch. Come on. Just be honest. (laughter)
Tini Lawry: I was already retired, so I had a pension from the government. And so I thought yes, we can make it. We can make it. We will just do some figures and yes, we can do, we can make it."
Peter Lawry: It actually came about, Jim, as I was driving out of the doors of a retreat center where I was a trustee, and I have no idea why God chose that moment, but I literally, as I turn onto the highway, just the thought dropped in my mind, "Peter, you do realize you're never gonna have a salary again."
And my first response was I'm glad you didn't tell me that three years ago when I started this journey, 'cause I probably wouldn't have gone on it." So there was a surprise. But it was also quite exciting, and I knew that Tini was behind me all the way.
Martha: Yeah. Okay, so let's talk quickly about how has God been using you, Peter, in your mid-60s?
Peter Lawry: I guess in part I've covered some of those things. I have I've spent... I still do spend quite a lot of time with business owners, and I speak prophetically into their businesses. I have, I currently mentor two young people. I've got some people in Bangladesh that are- I'm in contact with because of a trip I made there two years ago.
It looks like God is just actually developing a new relationship there with a young man who's in his young 20s who's looking for mentorship as well. There was somebody that I was- I met on a, in a Zoom group that I was part of recently. He comes from Denmark, and he's just asked me, "Would you mentor me?"
And my response is yes," but what I love to do is to look at those mentoring relationships as becoming mutual because we both have things we can build into each other's lives. And there's a full kind of gamut of things that I do with individuals. There are things that I do with groups.
I public speak on a reasonably regular basis at this stage now. I am the prayer coordinator, prayer ministry coordinator at our church, and we run two 24/7 prayer weeks every year- ... where we get the church gathering around the feet of Christ specifically to develop relationship with Him. It's not about functional, operational things we pray for as the business world would call it. It's much more around who is Jesus? How do we develop this relationship intentionally with Him? And all of that I just passionately love.
Martha: That's great.
Jim: Did you ever expect your 60s and your 70s, Tini, she just barely - did you ever expect them to be so vibrant, that so full of opportunity, so full of newness?
Tini Lawry: I probably didn't. I have got lots of projects in my cupboards and everywhere, and I said, "I'll do that when I'm retired." And I'm already six years retired, and they're still untouched in there. So it has taken me probably by surprise a little bit that I have gotten out of time to actually yeah, be with other people. And the relationships have been, I have got time for and I can talk, and I can do what I love to do and with the people I love to do it with. So- And yeah, so that's definitely a better thing.
Jim: Sounds like you need to give those projects to somebody else. Oh, yeah. It's if they've been in your cupboards for six years, just free their future. Get rid of them. (laughter)
Peter Lawry: But Jim, there, there are things in Tini's cupboard that have been there a lot longer than six years.
Jim: Peter. Peter. (laughter)
Martha: You're going into the winter months now. Maybe you'll get a few winter items.
Jim: Peter's now flying in the back of the plane on the way back to New Zealand. Tini's flying business class. (laughter)
Martha: Oh. Hey, Jim, why don't you talk a little bit about the iRetire4Him Summer Initiative that you're talking about these days?
Jim: Okay. Here's what I'm talking about. Here's the deal. And I hinted about it in a podcast back in April. One of the things that I'm seeing, and it's- And I can say this merely categorically across Christianity around the globe, we're not doing a great job loving our neighbors.
Peter Lawry: Yeah.
Jim: Because if we were loving our neighbors, like if every believer loved three other neighbors, the entire globe would be loved. Yeah. Because 25% of the population of the globe is Jesus followers, and so if we added the other 75, we would reach them with God's love. So my challenge to you this summer, we all live in a neighborhood.
Some of you live in the country, and your neighborhood is several miles. Most of you live in neighborhoods where you're, you could reach across and touch your neighbor's walls, 'cause you live in a townhouse or an apartment. Some of you live in HOAs, purgatory on Earth, right? Homeowner's associations.
You, you might live in a regular suburban neighborhood. You might live in a city. You might live in the country. Whatever it looks like, we all have neighbors. And it may be, in fact, you live in the remotest part of the world, but you go and work somewhere, and your neighbors would be those you work with. My challenge to you this summer is to have a picnic potluck that you host, and do it in your home. And if your home is small-
Martha: or your yard ... I
Jim: was getting there. Okay. And if your y- yard, if your home is too small, then do it in your yard, and rent one of those pop-up tents or buy one of those pop-up canopy tents, whatever.
Invite people onto your territory. The territory where you worship Jesus in all the time. Invite your neighbors in. Do a potluck. Absolutely must do a potluck. Maybe you supply the meat, whatever it may be. Hot dogs, hamburgers, they're cheap enough. They're not as cheap as they were before, but they're still cheap enough.
But have a potluck because then you get to experience everybody's greatest cooking. It is the best pleasure of, on the planet. And just get to know your neighbors. Do it non-alcoholic. Just tell people, if you wanna bring a beer, fine, you bring a beer. But we're not gonna, I'm not gonna supply any alcohol. We're gonna have pop and lemonade and iced tea or whatever, and water. And just give people an incentive not to drink, because when you don't drink, you can actually have great conversations with people.
But have a potluck. And here's the challenge: send us a picture, jim@iwork4him.com, jim@iwork, the number four, him.com. We'll put it in the show notes, won't we, Martha? And at the end of the summer, we're going to draw one of those pictures, and we've already got somebody that's already, done this already. One of those people are gonna o- win a grand prize. That's the part we haven't decided yet. What's the grand prize?
Martha: But it'll be great.
Jim: But it will be great, and it'll be worth, it'll be worth your time and investment. A- and we'll announce that as shows go on during the summer. And I'm sorry, we didn't have that worked out before we went live on the show today.
Peter Lawry: So do you have to live in America to participate in that?
Jim: No, certainly not. No. Anywhere in the world. iRetire4Him is being listened to on the globe, you can enter in, just have to prove it with a picture. Could be a digital picture. You could send me one on Kodak paper, that would even be better. That'd be hilarious.
Martha: Actually, it'd be more difficult, but, I think the encouragement there is, you know- Great question, Peter, because we all have the same Bible, right? And the Bible says to love our neighbors. And this is an opportunity to build those relationships in a very comfortable way, help them to learn that you're trustworthy, that you're kind, that you're hospitable, that you're a safe place all of those things that are communicated just through food and time together.
Jim: Food. Food. Food is the universal language of love.
Martha: And if you have a few games, that's great, something for the kids to do that keeps them, whether it's bubbles or jump ropes or whatever it might be. But just do something with your neighbors, and then let us know about it. We would love to bless you with some kind of a grand prize.
Jim: Yeah. A- most of you listening have an extra couple hundred dollars. Rent a bouncy house for the kids, just for the day. You can do that for a couple hundred bucks. We were at Sam's Club. They have the world's largest bouncy house, water slide thing and everything.
Martha: Jim wants one ... 200 bucks. Jim wants one.
Jim: Now, I know for some of you that's not reasonable, but for some of you, it is.
Martha: Or you might know somebody who already has one- You could share ... and you can borrow it.
Jim: From state to state, you could share.
Martha: So that's our summer initiative for iRetire4Him. All right, Jim, as we wrap this up, how do the two of you guys see yourselves working side by side as you go into your 70s together? And we're pretty transparent on this show because it is iRetire4Him, so that's why we're saying the ages, because it's- ... it's relative to our listeners. So what do you see that looking like, Peter?
Peter Lawry: The 70s, I think, excite me quite a bit. And as we have been together and as we've been doing stuff together at the US Christian Chamber of Commerce event recently, we found ourselves operating in a really different space. God has begun to open up ministry opportunities for us in new ways and things that we didn't ever do in ministry together. And it can be so unbelievably simple.
The other day, we were at SeaWorld, and we were coming out with our lunch from a cafe and a lady saw that there were no other tables available, and she said, "Come sit down here." And they and their family chatted with us, and then she happened to mention she had sciatica.
And I just felt God say to me, "Pray for her." So as they got up to leave, I said, "Look, would you be open for prayer?" And she was a Christian, the family was Christian, and that was very nice. It made it not quite confronting. But we prayed for them, and her pain level out of 10 went down from seven to one with the first prayer.
So we prayed a second time, and it went. That was something we did together. And, f- for us it was the first fruits of what was coming here in America for us. Yeah. And but I... it doesn't take a lot other than a little bit of courage to say, "May I pray for you?" Doesn't take a bit of courage for us to do that kind of stuff together.
And Tini's been brilliant about learning to bless people. And so we leave blessings behind wherever we go. We hope very much that some of the things - we're both involved with the Lion's Club and with ministry assignments and just the people we know, that we can continue to start doing things far more together than we've had liberty to do for the last wee while.
Martha: Just an observation again, just to point out for the listeners, is that being on the same page in whatever it is that's going on in your life allows you the opportunity, rather than Tini going we need to get to the next show. Why are you offering prayer?" You're on the same page and saying, "Yes, this is a, this is something God has called us to do together, and it's a gift of our time, but it's for the kingdom."
And so really challenging all of us to think about that, because that really makes a difference in how we approach it, rather than saying, "Okay, I'm gonna wait while Peter does this." Tini is a part of it, and you are in agreement-
Peter Lawry: Absolutely part of it. Yeah ...
Martha: of this time and this way that you're going to approach life. So what a great encouragement. Thank you.
Jim: Peter and Tini Lawry from New Zealand. We're so grateful that you joined us today on iRetire4Him. We look forward to the follow-up in a couple years to see what God has divulged to you in your walk as retirees. But thank you for being with us today.
Tini Lawry: Thank you so much.
Peter Lawry: Thank you very much.
Jim: You've been listening to iRetire4Him with your hosts, Jim and Martha Brangenberg. In this retirement phase of life, we all want our lives to be full of meaning and purpose so we can iRetire4Him.