Power of OR Podcast
Discovering How God Leads in Business… One Question at a Time
The goal of every Power of OR Podcast episode is to provide a lively, unfiltered, unedited, unfettered, and unscripted conversation with a businessperson. We will explore their daily work and see if we can uncover a powerful "OR" moment facing our guest.
Get ready to access the wisdom of God for the solutions man seeks! With
Hosts: Brad Hawkins (SaferNet) & Jim Brangenberg (iWork4Him)
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Ep 17: Disqualified by Man OR Qualified by God?: Repentance, Restoration, and Global Ministry Impact
Blake – the unqualified – ended up making decisions that brought his whole world crashing down. But God – the Qualifier – took Blake’s repentance and turned it into restoration and built a ministry that is impacting millions. Learn how choosing the right “OR” really can transform your life!
Ep 16: Your Job Isn’t Just a Job
For years, Jim Brangenberg thought ministry happened primarily inside the church. Then God transformed his understanding of work, showing him that the workplace is one of the greatest mission fields in the world.
Ep 15: The Portfolio that Actually Matters
What if God is still working through the parts of your story that look like failure? Listen as David Noble shares an honest conversation about faith, calling, business, and trusting God through every unexpected turn.
Ep 14: The Secret to a Meaningful Life
What if the greatest impact you ever make comes not from fame or success, but simply from loving people well? In this moving episode of the Power of OR, longtime chaplain Paul Nichols shares how decades of quiet faithfulness, compassion, and Christ-centered love transformed lives on factory floors, in hospital rooms, and through life’s hardest moments. His story is a powerful reminder that a life fully surrendered to God can leave an eternal legacy.
Ep 13: Leadership Starts at Home
Parenting is shaped in the small moments – how you respond, not just what you say. In this episode, Dr. Miles Mettler shares why the choice between reacting and responding can define your family’s future and how leading yourself well is the first step to leading your kids well.
Ep 12: This One Habit Will Change Your Reactions Forever
What if the biggest breakdowns in your relationships, leadership, and even your faith aren’t caused by circumstances, but by the conclusions you make in seconds? Get a refresher on The Power of OR. Putting this concept into practice might just change your life!
Ep 11: Scaling Truth - Faith, Tech, & Leadership Lessons
What if the biggest shift in your life wasn’t choosing right over wrong but choosing truth over assumption? Michael Boerner shares how questioning everything he believed led him from striving to grace – and changed his faith, leadership, and impact.
Ep 10: Life After the NFL: Finding Identity Beyond Football
Former NFL offensive lineman Tim Kohn shares his journey from a suicidal teenager to the Raiders locker room – and ultimately to a faith that reshaped his identity. In this episode, he reflects on being cut multiple times, rebuilding after football, and how God’s hand often becomes clearest in hindsight. Because the real victory isn’t making it big – it’s discovering who God made you to be beyond the game.
Ep 9: Rebuilding After Losing Everything
Greg built a thriving resort from the ground up... only to watch it unravel alongside his marriage and the loss of his father. In this honest conversation, he shares what it looks like to rebuild when everything familiar is gone. Not with quick answers or instant success, but with daily obedience, surrender, and a new foundation rooted in faith.
Ep 8: Following God’s Will in Business Decisions
What happens when success no longer feels sustainable and God asks you to let go instead of push harder? In this episode of The Power of OR Podcast, entrepreneur and fractional executive Jerry Nichols shares how seasons of growth, disruption, and waiting shaped his leadership and faith. From corporate success to rebuilding with open hands, Jerry reflects on learning to surrender outcomes, steward time wisely, and follow God one step at a time. If you’re navigating pressure, transition, or big decisions in your work, this conversation is for you.
Ep 7: From Top Gun to Total Surrender
Former Navy fighter pilot John Ramstead discusses the unexpected turns that reshaped his life, faith, and identity. From achieving his lifelong dream of flying F-14s to losing his career overnight and later surviving a near-fatal accident that led to a profound encounter with Jesus, John shares what it truly means to live with the Power of OR. This episode challenges listeners to ask: What if the very thing I see as loss is actually God’s invitation to something deeper?
Ep 6: Why God Doesn’t Retire Leaders
In this conversation, Russell Jenson shares his journey from decades in education to building a mobile escape-room business that became an unexpected leadership training ground. After ten years, he made another courageous decision: selling the business not to slow down, but to make room for what God might be inviting him into next. This episode is for anyone standing at a crossroads, sensing a transition, or facing an OR moment where faith is required to choose what might be the less obvious path.
Ep 5: Villain, Victim… or Victor?
What do you do when obedience to God seems to cost you everything? Filmmaker Drew Martin, founder of Mighty Motion Pictures, shares the defining crossroads of his life and work. Drew’s story speaks to anyone facing loss, injustice, or uncertainty while trying to remain faithful to God’s call. You may not get to choose the battle but you do get to choose who you’ll be in it: Villain. Victim... OR Victor.
Ep 4: Choosing Purpose Over Security in Business
In this episode, Mike Saunders shares the pivotal decision that moved him from corporate security to faith-driven entrepreneurship. He unpacks how the Holy Spirit guided his steps, how he learned to quiet worry, and why choosing calling over comfort transformed both his business and his walk with God.