7/2/25 - 2101: God Helps Us Do Hard Things

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Martha: And we are your hosts, Jim and Martha Brangenberg. Our mission is to inspire every workplace believer to recognize their workplace as their ministry place where they work with God every day. What can that look like in your workplace? Let's find out right now.

Jim: When you grow up in a family business, there's an expectation that you'll follow in the family business footsteps. In the insurance world, that expectation is very high. In the insurance world in small town agencies, it is almost certain.

So how do you live with those kinds of expectations that still follow the Lord's leading? How do you prepare to transition a lead from the third generation when your health falls apart suddenly and you're a wife and you're a mom, and you're a daughter? So many of us think that life is predictable, but when following Jesus, he uses adversity in our lives to take us from who we are to who he can use more effectively.

Lauren Layman has her story to tell and it's full of adversity and huge victories. Lauren Layman, welcome to iWork4Him.

You're here, right?

Lauren Layman: I am. Oh, sorry. Sorry. Thank you. (laughing)

Jim: We don't often get to have in studio guests. So today we're privileged to actually cover a story right here from Marionville, Missouri, where God has moved us -wow - three and a half years ago. We're so grateful to be able to have somebody from our new hometown, which we love, in the studio with us. So Lauren, we always start out with, the first time guest, with this question: how did you come to be a follower of Jesus and when did you cement it as part of your life as an adult?

Lauren Layman: It's funny that you asked this question because honestly, it's probably a question that I have struggled with for 42 years. I grew up in church. And mom was the director of Bible school. She also still is, took a break and now is back.

Jim: And she wore a chicken outfit in church just a week ago to promote Bible school.

Lauren Layman: Hey. And the apple does not fall far from that tree, let's be honest. So yeah, I grew up in church. Church was always a part of my life. And I remember going and I talked with pastor Max whenever I was young, probably, I'm gonna say late, middle, or late elementary school. I cannot tell you the exact day that I asked Jesus into my heart. I remember, like I went into his office. And it helped me - first I remember talking with my mom and dad and they said, Hey, let's go talk to Pastor Max. And so I went and talked with him.

And I just remember thinking, okay, this is big. But then I was scared 'cause it was probably, mom and dad could probably tell you more. It was probably at least a year before, traditional Baptist church, you walk the aisle and it's like you're walking the plank is what it felt like. So I didn't like publicly make my faith known for probably over a year. And then went through the whole baptism thing, grew up in youth group, grew up then continued on.

I didn't have that major rebellious streak. I know that probably some kids did, but I always struggled because I never felt like I had that line in the sand of this is who I was before and this is who I was after. So many have, so many people have that story.

Jim: You should be grateful to God that you don't have that. That's fantastic.

Lauren Layman: But I really struggled with it. It was, like, I remember I read that left behind series and there was times in the middle of the night, I was always an anxious kid, I woke up in middle of the night, literally walked in my parents' room to make sure they were still there. Because I was afraid that whatever I had done hadn't been enough.

And I think that's probably the story of so many christians really. Okay, is this, was this really enough? Like just because it doesn't seem possible that all you have to do is pray a prayer and then.... and obviously your life's not perfect. We'll get into that later. It's not always easy.

Jim: Actually, it's almost certainly going to be much better because you follow Jesus.

Lauren Layman: Absolutely. Absolutely. Which is how we will get into things. But was involved in student ministry in college. Church was always, that was one of the things we checked off our list when Nick and I got married was, okay, we're gonna find a church home and yep, check it off, find a church home.

And we found a great community there. We're still there. We're still attending that same church on the north side of Springfield. Another Baptist church, maybe a little bit less traditional in nature. But again, we were just like, it was what we did because it's what you do.

And so as I look back, yeah, I had those mountaintop moments at youth group or youth camp or even during college ministry, but. I don't truly know if I would be able to sit here and say that I felt that my relationship with the Lord was strong until 18 months ago. Maybe 15 months ago. It was always there and I was like, okay, like I should say this "Sunday school thing," and I've always, I felt like I was doing the right thing and but God has never been more present than he was 12 to 15 months ago, 'cause I didn't have any other choice.

Martha: And we're gonna get into that, and I'm so grateful that you have recognized that and see God's hand in your life. Like Jim said at the beginning of the show, adversity often takes us from who we are to who God can use more effectively. We don't like that. That's not necessarily the prescription we would write for ourselves, but it is because if we do end up leaning on him rather than the world or other people, the results are very different.

So let's talk a little bit about your career path and then we're gonna get into what God has done in the last couple years of your life. Did you always have the expectation on you and, or did you just assume, or did you want to always be in insurance? What did that path look like for you?

Lauren Layman: So I would say it's probably a little bit of both.

Jim: Yeah, because your brother Nick said I'm out! I'm gonna be an attorney.

Lauren Layman: I was the oldest. I was not as involved in things during the summer. And again, I'm terrible with dates, but early high school I started cleaning the office, first. Yes. Scrubbing toilets, I cleaned my dad's office. That's what we do, right? So I cleaned our office and then started working in the summertime, two or three days a week, doing the grunt work kind of thing.

That was back when we had so much paper and so many things were, yeah, so many things were manual. We had to manually call in changes to insurance carriers or manually calling claims. And so I'd have a stack, maintained a mailing list on a, I don't even think it was an Excel spreadsheet.

I don't know. It was literally like a mailing list, like that's all it was. And so it was a nightmare to keep updated. Anyways, started doing that kind of thing. I think, I don't know if I fell into the insurance industry. Looking back, I mean my parents know this, so this isn't a surprise to them. I have had like midlife crises several times, like in my life. (laughter)

Jim: And you hadn't even gotten a midlife yet.

Lauren Layman: Right. My mom would tell you about every seven years I have this like identity crisis and is this what I'm supposed to be doing? And did I take the easy route because, honestly, that is a little bit what I did. Just because... I never interviewed for a single job my entire life. I went, I got my MBA from Missouri State.

But so I didn't like, I call it the easy route, but in reality, like it was the easy route at the time, but in the reality it was probably the hardest route. Just 'cause working for family is hard. Like it impacts your relationships. It's always, it's either the elephant in the room that's really sad and really grumpy and might wanna trample you, or it's the elephant in the room that's oh, like this is great, but it could turn at any moment. And that's just the nature of business in general. And then when you add family into it, it's a whole different conversation.

And I will say that I probably felt some expectation. It was a third generation. I love my grandparents. They started it, it was a successful business. I felt some obligation to carry on that legacy. But I realized pretty quickly that I didn't want to do the parts of the business that needed to be done to make it successful.

Martha: Meaning the selling? But your focus is...

Jim: She's so much a salesperson.

Martha: But she's not like me. I got licensed with our insurance agency, but I wasn't out selling insurance. I took care of the customers. I love that.

Jim: She also was a very good salesperson.

Martha: But the same thing. I know what you're saying. I can relate to you. So what part of the business is your focus?

Lauren Layman: I pretty much told my dad that if he wanted me to stay working there, that I didn't wanna do the selling part. That was a privilege. I realize in a lot of businesses you can't just go into your boss and be like, okay, I am not doing this anymore.

Jim: But you're daddy's little girl, so you can say whatever you want. (laughter)

Lauren Layman: And obviously it was important to him to continue the family legacy, dynasty, whatever, Jim, if Jim throws out that word later. And so it was important to him and so we kinda just had to find a way to make that work. And the work that I focus on now is important and it wasn't anything that anybody had time to focus on before.

So I handle all of the internal marketing, the external marketing, the community support. A little bit of business development, but really just maintaining those relationships, maintaining the relationships with our company representatives. I am building those relationships with the territory reps and the other, the other people that stop by our office. But just handling a lot of that brand awareness, building that face for our office.

Martha: And getting to use your creativity in amazing ways, which is really neat. And we will put a link to Smart Insurance in the show notes for people so they can go check it out. Because I know you do a great job, but you know what it made me think of is the fact that a lot of people, like you say, it's all stuff we wanna do. But in a family business especially, you can feel torn between making the sales and making things look pretty. And making things appeal to people and you've gotten that privilege to be able to do that in a way that really has, I believe, accelerated the brand of your family in amazing ways.

Lauren Layman: And when I went to working part-time, when I had our first little girl, it happened, that transition happened fairly naturally 'cause the group of clients I did have, 'cause we all work as a team at Smart Insurance. Nobody has like their client that can't be helped by others. And when we did that, and I wasn't there all the time, that transition happened naturally 'cause I wasn't there to answer the questions. And so that really helped that adjustment be smooth because people stopped asking for me and I was thankful for that.

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All right. Lauren, you're married to Nick. We've gotten to know Nick, he's a runner. He's actually passionate, freakishly passionate about running, which, you can get counseling for that. (laughter)

Martha: I thought you were gonna say freakishly passionate about insurance. (laughter)

Jim: He is very good at what he does. But you're married to Nick. You got two kids. Life was perfect. Cute little house in a cute little suburban city of Republic, Missouri. And then your world fell apart last year. What happened?

Lauren Layman: Gosh, what happened? It all started January, February. I just didn't feel good, mentally or physically. Part of it was probably anxiety and that's how they treated it at first was severe anxiety, which honestly didn't surprise me. I had, like I said, I'd always been an anxious person but started going to the doctor, got on some medication. Don't be afraid to get on medication. I believe that God creates doctors with wisdom and knowledge to help you. And got on some medication and it took a while for my body to adjust to that, thought I was losing my mind in some serious ways.

Just didn't have the energy, didn't have the drive, didn't know if I was gonna wake up the next morning and really feel like getting outta bed. And it wasn't that I didn't wanna get out of bed, I wanted to get outta bed. So the mental health part of it was I had the desire, I just couldn't make myself. And so had my mom and my dad and Nick gosh, Nick was the dad last year. He was the parent this time last year just 'cause I was, my health was so unpredictable.

And so there are things today that Elise or Nora , our daughters, will talk about and I'll just look at 'em and be like mom doesn't remember. I don't remember what we did in this situation last year or what we did for this last year. I know what I didn't do, which was a lot. So had to pull back from practically everything. And so we got the anxiety under control, but then the physical symptoms started.

Hair started falling out. Just again, still lack of energy. We're trying lots of things, running lots of tests, but also trying not to, we couldn't test everything at once 'cause then you don't really know what's causing the issues. And I lost about 25 pounds or so. Lost 25 pounds, was super skinny, not healthy. I wasn't able to really process calories like I needed to. And then ended up in the emergency room a few times to get fluids, and I'd never been to the emergency room before ever.

Jim: But it's such a great place to go, especially on a Friday night.

Lauren Layman: Monet emergency room is a fantastic place to go on like a Monday morning. It's pretty good. But so I went there, was seeing my doctor multiple times a week. Like literally my mom would drive me to the doctor multiple times a week. And it's hard to gauge. Actually in May of last year, my legs started swelling. Went to the doctor and I'm in my younger, lower forties.

And so at first the doctor was like, hey maybe you're just eating too much salt, like that little bit of water retention, which is very valid 'cause at that point it wasn't as bad. And I should probably back up a little bit. I'd had some off blood work, went and saw a hematologist and they said you probably have an autoimmune disease. In fact, we're pretty certain you have an autoimmune disease, but there's a lot of those, and until you have other symptoms, it's not really worth testing to figure out which one, which I guess was comforting at the time 'cause it was like nothing was that serious.

Looking back on it. I should have, we should have advocated better because my mom or Nick or somebody was with me in all these appointments, I wasn't going alone. 'Cause I wasn't able to me remember properly. I would either go down a wrong rabbit hole or I would remember a rabbit hole that wasn't there. And so anyways, it decided to go on vacation in June.

Again, I was swelling. We flew. Probably a bad idea, but we went 'cause I had planned vacation, the girls were excited. Ended up going to the emergency room on vacation in Hilton Head because I was able to do things during the day but then like my legs would swell. And I gained all of that 20 pounds back, had pitting edema in my legs and then would move up my torso and came back from vacation, was not in good health.

Started the journey of running some tests, did Bible school sitting on the front pew with my feet up because I couldn't wear normal shoes, couldn't wear normal pants. Just, I was very unhealthy. And we knew something was really wrong. And it was the Thursday of Bible school at Marionville First Baptist, where I was helping with mom and you guys. Went to see a nephrologist, and his dad was a pastor, and he said, I'm not supposed to tell you this. He said there was a lot obviously that went in with those conversations, but he said, I'm pretty sure you have lupus, which we had known, we thought that's what it was, but we couldn't get anybody to confirm it.

And he said, I think you have lupus. And I left and he called me and there were lots of different options, but he said, if you were my daughter - this is what he wasn't supposed to tell me - if you were my daughter, I'd get in the car and I'd drive to Barnes in St. Louis and I would self admit myself into the emergency room. And because of my swelling, he thought they would admit me. He said, we don't have the resources in Springfield.

And I will never be more thankful that God used him and he spoke words that he probably wasn't supposed to 'cause I then I spent a week at Barnes. And we prayed. And we prayed and I prayed because that's it. I didn't have anything else to do. Like I could not, everything was outta my control. Nothing I did otherwise made me feel better for long. It was not long term and I couldn't, it's not that I felt suicidal. That wasn't it. But I couldn't live like that. I wasn't like that. I was an active mom. I was engaged with the girls. They were active. I had friendships and community that needed me.

Jim, we laughed. I had Republic graduation this spring, and I told a few people, it's a class of 450, maybe closer to 400. It was my first term as a school board member. And I sat through that entire graduation in a full blown panic attack, popping peppermints and warheads trying to trick my brain into sitting there. And only by the grace of God did I survive that, but I had my entire village praying that I would make it through.

And so I just went to St. Louis. We prayed the whole way up there. My pastor called and he said, God, grant her a person of peace. There's a verse in the Bible that says that, Jim, you probably know what it is. I don't even know. But give her a person of peace to help walk her through this. And from the minute that we walked into Barnes Jewish Hospital in downtown St. Louis, we left to go to the ER on Thursday night and my brother called and through a random course of events, we turned around.

Martha: I remember all that because we were praying too. And it was you were going, you were not going. You're going. It was like, we were, okay, Lord, just clear the way.

Lauren Layman: Yep. And we were gonna go on that Thursday night, we turned around and we're like, no, we're not gonna go. That was probably the, there were lots of God whispers, but that was probably the first one because my brother said he had warned me 'cause he's been up there for different work things and he said, I need you to know that the Barnes Jewish emergency Room is not gonna be like the emergency room at Monet.

It's not gonna be like the emergency room in Springfield. It's gonna be rough. And I don't know why God didn't want us to go on that Thursday night, but we went on Friday, or on Saturday morning we got up. I said, probably the hardest goodbye I'd ever said to my kids. It wasn't that I thought I wasn't coming back, I just didn't know what was gonna happen, right? How long I was gonna be there, how long the girls were gonna have to be with grandparents.

And they were scared understandably, like they didn't know what was wrong with their mom, but I knew that I was going to the place where the right answers. Hopefully we'd find the right answers. People would be able to study me. They said I needed to go to a school, a study hospital, a university hospital where they had all these doctors working on me at the same time. And so went up there and there are so many God winks that I could pull up on my phone right now from that week, you just have no idea, like so many.

But the one that sticks out right now is the person that transported me from the emergency room to the waiting room, for where they were gonna let me before ... they transferred me from the emergency room to like the area before I could get a actual hospital room. Her name was Heaven. Her name was Heaven. They were all so nice and gosh, just such, that was that person of peace. And I had that from the moment I stepped in there. And gosh, that week was one of the hardest of my life.

Martha: So talk about that for a minute. So you're dealing with knowing something's terribly wrong. This is not my normal way of feeling, but we don't know what it is. How did you deal with Okay God knew. God knows what you're going through. How did you lean on him during that time?

Lauren Layman: Every minute. Every minute. Every second of every day. And I'll tell you, the spiritual warfare during that time was real. Our marriage was being attacked in ways that we'd never experienced before from outside forces.

And I don't wanna get into that, but it was - I was texting some people, I was like, we are under attack. There was part of it that thought that I was under attack because I had just gotten on school board. And I don't think that, I don't think that Satan probably really liked that a strong Christian woman was on a public school board helping to support our kids and our students and standing for them.

I had always said that my life had gone pretty easy and I was just waiting for the shoe to drop. I was a little, I think that created anxiety in me. I was really afraid it was gonna be one of my kids. But it was me and I was Job for a while because I lost, I didn't lose everything, but I felt like I was, I felt like I wasn't sure when I was gonna be back to myself.

I wasn't sure when I was gonna feel normal again. I wasn't sure when I was gonna be able to be back to the mom, but I also realized that my life didn't have to be perfect for God to show up.

Martha: Amen. So one of the things that you've said many times during this conversation already is that you did have people around you praying for you and supporting you, and that truly is a huge part of the the story that you're telling and it's your testimony that God's been writing.

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Jim: All right, so that was a year ago, your story, Lauren, you're in St. Louis. Now we're a year later. God's brought a lot of resolution and a lot of clarity.

Lauren Layman: Yep.

Jim: Finish the story.

Lauren Layman: Yeah. Got a diagnosis finally, literally praise God. That's what we were hoping for was a diagnosis. It was a long journey, but I was there for a week and came home with a official diagnosis of lupus nephritis, which is lupus with kidney involvement, which explain the swelling. Came home and had significant steroid treatment, gained like another 15 pounds.

So at one point I was up probably close to 50 over from where I bottomed out when I was so unhealthy to then once I gained all of the water weight. And then the steroid treatment, which is hard on your body. And we all want the quick fix, right?

I wanted to take this pill and everything be okay, and my doctors were amazing and they were like, this is gonna be a journey. I need you to understand this is not gonna be something that is gonna go away tomorrow. It's not gonna be a thing that's gonna go away by next week. And I said okay, this was in July.

I said, am I gonna feel better by Christmas? They were like, yes. I said, okay. I said, I can handle that. I need proper expectations. Don't tell me it's gonna be tomorrow and it's six months from now. And I just started doing the thing. I went, I was seeing a counselor to talk to somebody who, a good Christian counselor. I saw her once a week for a while. I got set up with doctors here so I didn't have to drive back and forth to St. Louis. And I just started doing the things like we just started doing every next step with God all the way. And knowing as we looked at all of those things lining up, he was in every single one of them.

There were just, there were doctors I had access to that I shouldn't have had access to. There were doctors that showed up and gave me information that through some crazy things happening and including my brother making some phone calls and just being my brother, that got us in touch with the doctors that I needed, the specialists at Barnes who were top of the line and ready to help.

And yeah, I just started doing the thing and I gradually just started to feel better and I had my energy back and, started losing the water weight and just my hair started coming back in and my personality was back and I was able to laugh, really laugh. Not the fake, i'm fine kind of thing. And gosh, God just keeps on providing.

Our marriage right now is in a place where it's never been before, positively. That's a good thing. And he and I have even, Nick and I have even said gosh, that really sucked. That was really terrible. And we didn't really even know how to be husband and wife in that time 'cause we hadn't been through that kind of trial. We both grew up with really boring childhoods.

Jim: No offense to your parents of course. (laughter)

Lauren Layman: No. No. Neither one of them. Boring is good. Boring is good, but we didn't know how to handle the adversity. Like we didn't know what to do. Listened to lots of worship music. I couldn't really listen to the Bible because I couldn't process it. I couldn't really read, so I just listened to worship music over and over again, same songs over and over again.

And God is good, like he is, and if anything, it's taught me that we can do really hard things with him. And we've been able to teach our girls that sometimes we have to do really hard things. The girl who has a serious needle phobia, who passed out when she had to give blood as a sophomore in high school, frequently doesn't do well with needles, now gives herself an injection every week. That sounds silly, but only God. Like seriously, like only God.

Martha: Yes.

Lauren Layman: And I don't really have a choice at this point because the other option is not an option for me. Sitting on the sidelines of my life with the girls and with the business, with my husband, and with my friends, it's not an option. And so I just do what I have to to feel better.

Martha: So I'm curious how this testimony that God's been writing in your life, how does it affect your day to day now when you work with customers or vendors or marketing or your family or your friends? Like, how do you see that translating into who you have become today?

Lauren Layman: I have a lot more grace, cause gosh, you have no idea what people are going through. You just have no idea. Because a lot of people didn't know. I just told you guys, I have not made this public. There are lots of people who know, hundreds of people who know. But I didn't go blaring in my diagnosis on Facebook or Instagram or any other sort of social media. It just wasn't, I didn't need that. God didn't need that to use it.

Martha: But what you're saying is with not knowing what people are going through, you could have been in a checkout line at a store having a really hard day and that cashier has no idea what you're dealing with. And, I think we need in all of our work, taking that perspective into our interactions with other people is huge.

Lauren Layman: Yeah. I didn't really consider myself an empathetic person before. Our daughter Nora, is like crazy empathetic. And maybe I am, and maybe it had just been like suppressed for all these years. I'm a perfect perfectionist, so I didn't wanna, show that emotional weakness, but it's really an emotional strength to be able to try to relate to people, try to be patient with them. As far as the day to day goes. I go to God with almost everything right now. Whether it's the business with what the future looks like for that, we want God in that.

Whether it's with our daughters and their athletic tryouts or the teachers they're gonna have, anytime something comes across my mind right now. Before I would worry about it. And now I just, it doesn't have to be fancy. You don't have to like drop to your knees and have this big elaborate prayer that's 17 points. Just be like, God, just be with them. Just watch over them, help them. Help them follow your path. Like you've already written the path. Like just help them follow it. Help me follow it.

We prayed a lot during that time of slam the doors shut that need slammed and crack the windows that need cracked and lead us to the air, lead us in a way that you need us to go. And he did that in ways that I still, that's why I kept notes on my phone. I was like, I don't wanna forget this. I wanna go back to this monument in my life. When the Israelites were walking through the wilderness, they put up monuments to remember where God had brought them from and I don't have that. I don't wanna forget how he stood, how he had my back. And that sounds silly and cliche, but like he really does.

But I hadn't ever had to lean into it before and I have never had people pray for me. I had a girl in my neighborhood who I'm friends with but we don't hang out. She lives down the street, like has a daughter, but she's not the same age. And we've had some conversations, but not super deep. She fasted for me for three days.

Martha: Wow.

Lauren Layman: Ive never had anybody fast for me before. Like she didn't eat and she prayed and I know that you guys and so many others did, and it's humbling.

Martha: So what would you say right now to the listeners that either they're going through a hard time and they don't see the end, they don't see the diagnosis, they don't see where it's going, or they have somebody in their life that's in that position? What would you say to them to encourage and challenge them today?

Lauren Layman: I wanna say just keep going. Keep fighting for yourself. Ask God to. Know where to fight, know what to fight for. As Jim said, our life is certainly gonna be more difficult if we follow Jesus. That's reality. And when you're closer to God, it's probably gonna be even harder.

But know that he hasn't left you. Like even when it felt like I was all alone and there were many nights at Barnes that I was all alone next to my hospital roommate who was on a sleep apnea machine. I was there by myself and I had no one except for the nurses who walked in that had bible verses tattooed on their arms or the nurses who, I'm a talker, like Jim, like I just ask about them and I remember I prayed with one of the nurses who was drawing 18 vials of blood from my arm.

Martha: So it was a good long prayer. (laughter)

Lauren Layman: Yeah. It was. But we didn't pray for me. We prayed for her because she had family that hadn't been over able to come over from the US. She was, I don't even remember what nationality she was, and it doesn't matter, but look for God in those things. Look for those little whispers, even when he feels so far away and so silent and when things are so hard. I didn't really feel like I had a choice but to lean on him. I didn't have a choice because my community and my family didn't allow me that choice either.

So I guess that would be my first thing is if you're going through it alone, you don't have to. There is someone, there has to be someone who will, fight for you and fight with you. And that's what I had. And so it made a huge difference just in my mental space.

Jim: Sometime in the next year we'll pick up the second part of this story, which is what does it look like now in the insurance agency? Now that Lauren Layman has gone through all of this adversity and God is moving her into that third generation of leadership. Lauren Layman, thanks for being with us today.

Lauren Layman: You bet. Happy to be here.

Jim: You've been listening to iWork4Him with your hosts, Jim and Martha Brangenberg. We're Christ followers. Our workplace, it's our mission field, but ultimately iWork4Him.