176: She Definitely Wasn’t Expecting This assignment!

Jim: This is iWork4Him.

Martha: Where faith meets work and believers unleash their calling.

Jim: We've all been told that when we get into our 60s it's time to slow down, time to coast through the rest of life, making the easy choices and letting the hard choices be made by the upcoming generations, those youngsters.

Jim: But that does not reflect a biblical worldview. The truth of the matter is that when we get into our 60s, we've accumulated a ton of wisdom, and making the hard choices becomes easier because we can see through all the false choices. So what am I really trying to say? The 60s are our chance to change the world.

Jim: Danita Bye is in her 60s. She's gonna be mad at me for saying that, but, it's okay. She's distant. In the last several years she's written a book or two, served on the North Dakota Board of Education, been an advisor to the governor of North Dakota, and so much more. But it wasn't enough. Danita and her husband Gordon saw a need, and they decided to meet that need.

Jim: What was the need in Stanley, North Dakota? The need for quality Christian education that focuses on teaching kids reading, writing, math, history, and science, but all from a biblical worldview. Christian Crossroads Academy became Danita's project, along with a bunch of other committed Jesus followers. It's time that we as believers stood up for education in America.

Jim: Until the '50s, the Bible was used to teach so many of our classes. Today, kids get suspended for bringing Bibles to class in some states. We need our kids to be taught how to succeed using reading, writing, and speaking skills, and some other practical subjects too. Danita could be retired, sipping coffee on her cattle ranch in western North Dakota, but not today.

Jim: Today, Danita Bye is pouring her life into the next generations, and she's here to tell us all about it. Danita Bye, welcome back to iWork4Him.

Danita Bye: Glad to be here. I think our last conversation that we had was about retirement-

Martha: Yes ...

Danita Bye: and how I don't believe it's biblical.

Jim: And you've proven that now. So tell us about what's going on. You could have retired, as we just talked about, but you just started a major brand-new organization. Tell us the story.

Danita Bye: I have two things colliding in my mind. I wanna- I'm gonna start with a story that's very fresh, and then I'll back into that.

Danita Bye: 4:30 last night I woke up. Someone was yelling for help. And I live out on a ranch, and I knew that this was the Holy Spirit. And so I started praying for all my children, all my grandchildren. I prayed for staff, I prayed for students, I prayed for teachers, I prayed for everyone. I got up this morning and I mentioned this to Gordon, my husband, that at 4:30 I had heard someone cry for help, and he said, "Are you sure that wasn't you- ... crying for help?" I'm going "I forgot to pray for myself."

Danita Bye: It's th- there's a short story and a long story. The little bit longer story is I grew up here in North Dakota, lived in Minneapolis. I love education. I actually think I got a great education 50-some years ago in Stanley. Moved back here after being exposed to other educational models and hearing from others about what's been the trend of what's been happening across the United States.

Danita Bye: And I started, almost immediately started asking about education. So I'm a pre-med student way back when, and so I loved math and I loved science, and I began to hear over the years about how the US is falling behind on math and science on a global level. And as a nation, we have not been able to fix that. We keep sliding.

Danita Bye: Of course, if you redo the numbers, you can show a slight improvement. But in reality we've been, our academic values, our academic achievement, has been decreasing. And then combined with that, that when you look at the statistics of what's happened when we pull God out of the schools.

Danita Bye: We have - everything that you don't want is increasing. So we have all these behaviors that we don't want for our students, that aren't good for our students, that are growing, and we have the academic scores going down. So there is room for new models, new ways, new thinking. There's room for innovation. There's room for competition.

Danita Bye: So that has been bubbling inside me. And then I get to about two years ago, my dad, my 85-year-old dad got word that there was a lumberyard on the corner of Highway 8 and Highway 2 in Stanley, North Dakota, that was for sale. And he bought the building without consulting my mom or anybody else in the family, and he came home and said, "We're starting a classical Christian school."

Martha: Wow.

Danita Bye: And we go, "Really? Really?" And so here I am.

Martha: So God had been bubbling that up in him as well, like this concern.

Danita Bye: God had been bubbling, yes.

Martha: That is amazing. I have goosebumps because-

Jim: That's hilarious.

Martha: Because I know you're a thinker. I know you're an analyzer. I know you're looking and asking questions. That's Danita Bye. Obviously you got that from your dad, right? I'm guessing that there's some connection there, but that he was, that God spurred that up in him is amazing. So he kinda said " here's your next thing," or what?

Danita Bye: You're like, we're like going, we're all looking at each other in the family, looking at who's going to do this, what's gonna happen, and then I do have to confess... so I have been thrust into this. And I have considered myself a reluctant prophet.

Danita Bye: I also don't wanna end up in the belly of a whale for three days. And it's really... i've been working on this for about two years ago, and it really was maybe two weeks ago that I felt a confirmation from God that this is my current assignment. And that's helpful for me because it is not the rest of my life. It is my current assignment that God has called me to.

Danita Bye: And I feel, I'm sorry, I feel like I've been diligent to be in a space that is not natural to me, meaning that I don't know a lot about education. I've never started a school before. Everything having to do with the Department of Public Instruction, like, stresses me out. And yet this is where I am, and I'm grateful to be on this assignment for the time being 'cause I have another book I'd like to write.

Jim: You can write it in between class periods.

Jim: But when you say you don't know anything about education, you have spent years influencing public education, though, working with the governor. I know some of that was at the higher education level, but you've been involved in education in the state of North Dakota and influencing across the country for a number of years. I'm thinking maybe God was trying to just drop a hint or two.

Danita Bye: Maybe. I had been... this has been about 10 days ago now, I was sharing my heart with a, a friend. "I don't know anything," and she goes, "No, Danita, stop."

Jim: That's right.

Danita Bye: She said, "You're a mom, you're a grandma, and you love children, and you love our country, and those are all things that make you qualified."

Jim: And you're a teacher. How about the teacher part? You're also a teacher.

Danita Bye: I'm, I... You know what? All my books are teaching oriented. You know that's what a coach does. As a leadership coach, you're encouraging and building up strength and capacity in others.

Martha: And you're also a learner, and that's, I think what a lot of people listening to our show are also seeking, like I'm willing to learn, I'm willing to think outside of the box. What is it that God has for me?

Martha: And like you said, this current assignment. You have had several different assignments in the time that we have known you, and you have stewarded them well, and God has you in each one of those for a special position.

Martha: Before I ask the next question, just for context, tell people what your role is at the school. As we'll talk about the school more, but I just think it will be helpful for them to know what this, what is this assignment that you're speaking of?

Danita Bye: So I am technically a, so I'm a founding board member. So our family set up CCA founding board member. So I sit on that from a strategic perspective. I am also the founding board member representative on our community board.

Martha: Okay.

Danita Bye: So we, it was important for us as a family for this not to be a family initiative, but to be a community initiative, so we've called a community board together. So I sit on that from a strategic perspective. I am also a key... i'm the key administrator.

Martha: Okay.

Danita Bye: The students would call me Principal.

Martha: Sure.

Danita Bye: The state of North Dakota doesn't allow me to be called Principal, so I'm a key administrator or director.

Jim: Gotcha. You can't be called Principal 'cause you don't have one of those education degrees? Is that what you're saying?

Danita Bye: I don't have a, I don't have an education degree.

Jim: Gotcha. So therefore, because your mind hasn't been messed up, they can't call you a principal.

Martha: But they can call... The kids can call you whatever.

Jim: That's right.

Martha: That's good and positive anyway. Okay, so then tell us about Christian Crossroads Academy. What is the mission of it? It's one thing for your dad to say, "This is what we're gonna do," but what is the actual mission of the school?

Danita Bye: So great question because we're in... Even though we've started, it's like any entrepreneurial effort, we're in learning and growing as we develop. So website: " educating the mind, forming the heart, shaping the soul for Christ."

Danita Bye: So we're, it's a whole it's a whole student approach to what we're doing. And I'll read you what our official is, our deep hope at Christian Crossroads Academy, our deepest hope is to walk alongside families as they raise children who know God and follow His call.

Danita Bye: We aim to shape strong leaders who live for God's glory, not just for themselves. So we're focused on discipleship. Now, another kind of- So a couple weeks ago is I live about, I live out in the country, so it's about 20-minute drive in, and I was praying, and I just felt just compelled to pray that our student body would be at grade level.

Danita Bye: I just ... I'm praying, and this is a miracle. When the students are at grade level, this will be a miracle. Then one of my board members stopped in, and she said her and her husband had been talking and they said they were talking and said, the most important part is that the stu- the students love Jesus.

Danita Bye: And I felt like a heel. I'm, I don't even know what word it was, but I'm like going, "Oh, Danita, here you are. You're focused on academics when you should be focused on Jesus." And I felt this tug-of-war and then we have a consulting company that we're working with that's helping us get started and they said, "Danita, that is an old model."

Danita Bye: We know iWork4Him, that all of our work is a worship to God. All of our academic work is also a worship to God. And I think that's one of the areas that our culture overall is just very bifurcated and very dualistic on that. But what we're looking to do with a classical Christian education is to bring our whole selves as a worship, including our mind and what we're learning about numbers and words.

Martha: What's amazing is that you have this fresh canvas, shall we say. Obviously, the kids are not fresh. They've been in school, they're, they all come from different perspectives and backgrounds and things like that. But you get to then say, "We're..." I don't know, I'm just making this up in my head, but maybe you're having lessons on integrity, but that means you're gonna do your own homework, and you're going to study for the test that we're gonna take and learn, because excellence is a key element of who God calls us to be.

Martha: And so there's so much that is on both sides of that in our mind, where it's like, okay, there's education and learning the facts, and then there's character and integrity and all the things that, you know, fruit of the spirit that, that we get to learn and imply in our life. And you're getting to do both. And it's good you have board members that can, you have both that, that push from both sides, because then that's gonna lead you towards that overall mission that you just shared with us. Because it really is the whole mind, body, soul, all of that. Jim?

Jim: I've just

Martha: What are you thinking?

Jim: I'm going back two years, Danita, thinking when Dad goes, "I'm, I bought a lumberyard, and you're gonna run a school in it." And you're like, "Dad, lumberyards have this thing that's missing: walls." Because lumberyards don't have walls, because you don't, you can't have walls with a lumberyard. Even in North Dakota, some of the lumber's outside.

Jim: And I understand maybe there was some walls, but it wasn't a Menards he bought that has everything inside. It wasn't a Lowe's. He bought a lumberyard in Stanley, North Dakota. So who did the design? Because designing a school is one thing. Having a lumberyard is another. That was a big step. And I got so many questions. So-

Martha: Maybe we need with Dad ...

Jim: so who designed the school? Yeah, maybe we shoulda had your dad on with you. That would've been fun. Boy, I'd love to meet your dad. Who designed the school?

Martha: She's raising her hand.

Jim: There you go. I don't remember architect being on that list of things you've done in the past.

Danita Bye: And I don't know the difference. I do know the difference between a screwdriver and a hammer, but, there is nothing about architect and building that comes natural to me. So what we do have is we did work with an architect that built out phase one, two, and three of what this would look like. So our current building, according to the architect, would have the capacity to hold... We're currently at 20 students. He feels our capacity is 100 students, and if we add on, it could be 250.

Danita Bye: I am so grateful. So a couple of things. I'm so grateful for a general contractor who was wonderful to work with. And literally, he understood I do know the difference between a screwdriver and a hammer, but beyond that, I'm gonna ask a lot of questions. The other thing that happened, which was a decision from my family, because this is a new startup entrepreneurial effort, we need to do the build-out in stages.

Danita Bye: So there were a couple of things that were a top priority. Top priority would be - I'll put it under the category of security.

Martha: Sure.

Danita Bye: But when you're at a school, you need that front door-

Martha: Yep ...

Danita Bye: which is both beautiful, but also is high security. We've got the doors open from this time to this time, and it's locked down. So we're in the process of developing all of our security measures. One of the other places that we need to get the lumberyard up to code was fire.

Danita Bye: So that took a lot longer than anticipated to make certain that we had everything that was needed for fire code. The electrician- the building had been owned previously by an electrician, but the new electrician that we hired walked in, looked at the first room and "Hold." Pulled the wires out and said, "Nothing is at code." And there is a different code for educational than for business, so we had to get that up to code. And then the other one is bathroom c- this is probably way more than you need to know.

Martha: Yeah. But the, but I think the bottom line of all of that is that it's one thing to say, "Here's this thing that God is saying we need to do." And electricity doesn't feel like the end game for the kids' education and their spiritual growth, but it's an important piece of it, and you can't do one without the other. So to just realize the immensity of sometimes we, God can call us to do something, and we have no idea all that's gonna be involved before we get to that point where you got to open the doors and welcome students in. Now, let's just talk about right now.

Jim: So you're kinda like Noah, though. That's what I was thinking. God says, "I want you to build a school," "I want you to start a school."

Danita Bye: Yeah. That was when we prayed, the prayer team was, "God, you instructed Noah how to build the ark. We need your instructions-

Martha: Amen ...

Danita Bye: with our workers on what to do with this building."

Martha: That's so good. Okay, so how many grades? What is the span of grades right now?

Danita Bye: So we currently are K through eight.

Martha: Okay.

Danita Bye: And so I'll talk through that a bit. If I was advising anyone, I would go with my original vision, which would be K through two or K through three. And my thought was, again, speaking as an entrepreneur you start with a pilot project. You develop, you test, you tweak, you, you got this continuous improvement process until you get the system and process in place.

Danita Bye: The consulting company that we were working with said "Nice dream, Danita, but that won't work." And the reason why is she said, "Part of your mission and part of the mission of classical Christian education is to serve the family."

Martha: And they don't just have K through two in the house necessarily. Is that what you're saying?

Danita Bye: Correct.

Martha: They've got a fifth grader. They've got a... Yeah.

Danita Bye: And so we, it was a, kind of a late decision for us, but eventually I succumbed and decided that we needed to serve families, and so we are K through eight.

Jim: Wow. I just, how big is Stanley, North Dakota?

Danita Bye: Stanley, it's small. A town maybe of 3,500, and within a 35, 40-mile radius we have 10,000 people.

Jim: Okay.

Danita Bye: This is rural. We're beyond rural. This would be a remote village.

Jim: Typically small town people, 'cause we live in a small town too, of 2,500 here in Southwest Missouri, most small town people can't afford a private education. How are you working through that?

Danita Bye: That's a great question. We are in the process of figuring that out. For year number one, we have incredible donors that are funding. They see the need. They see the need for families. They see the need for the community. They see the need nationally for having high quality education. So we're depending very heavily on donors right now.

Danita Bye: We are also excited to learn how this one element on the big beautiful bill is going to impact private education. We're still in the process of learning the details. As I understand it, there's going to be a place somewhere on a tax return where someone could say, "I want $1,700. I want a tax credit of $1,700 that would go to a private education of choice."

Danita Bye: So we're in the process of getting details there. Number three is we're in the process of establishing an endowment fund. It's just at the very beginning level of that. The experts say that you can't start an endowment fund until you've been a school for five to 10 years because people want to see - you have to prove yourself.

Jim: Do these experts know Jesus? Let's just get... it sounds like you need new consultants and new experts. All right. All right. So I wanna, you know-

Martha: Wait, can I ask? I just wanna say something. You have mentioned multiple times the words like entrepreneur and business and yet you're in education, and you're using donors. And so I wanna give you credit here for something, and that is having the mindset of stewarding this really well.

Martha: Because a lot of people, when you get into the nonprofit donor space, it's a little softer, about how to, how people spend the money and where the analytics are and all of that. But you have this background that gives you the ability to ask tough questions of an industry called education that maybe nobody's asking these tough questions. So I love this about you, Danita, because you do ask tough questions, and things from a different perspective, and I think that's going to be a real asset even though right now it might feel like you're, you're the bad guy all the time asking all these things.

Martha: But I love it, and I think it's a really good example for our listeners. I just had to shout that out. So go ahead, Jim.

Jim: In education, when you're a business person, having taught one year in education, they don't like you to ask questions, and when you ask questions, because you might reveal an inconvenient truth, as Al Gore would say. And so you don't ask questions 'cause you don't wanna find out.

Jim: So keep asking the questions, and if you got consultants that say you can't do that, find a different consultant. And the experts, who made them an expert anyway? Okay. All right.

Jim: So you're, as you see it through the eyes of your father and now you've seen it, you can launch the next generation on the right footing through private school education. You say on your website that you're teaching students to be excellent learners, rigorous thinkers - wow, do we need that in a generation - and effective doers. Do kids even care about stuff like that today? These are North Dakota kids, so they have to work hard just to go to the, to the school bus. I understand that in the middle of winter. But do kids care about stuff

Jim: like that?

Danita Bye: I would say no. So I've got some learners that are excited about it, and I have others that are punching the clock in a sense, and that we have to work to get them excited about learning. We're on day 25.

Danita Bye: And so we're in the process. I just had a tough conversation with, we have three cohorts that we work with. The traditional model uses grades. We're moving away from grades and going to cohorts and match people up according to where they are on a learning continuum.

Danita Bye: So I was with the older cohort today and we had a volunteer come in yesterday to work with them on cursive handwriting. It's a skill that they have not learned in the public school. And in some of the homeschooling they've done some, but they haven't done a lot. So this was, this person is excited about it. We were grateful for them to come. We believe that in terms of mental development, that cursive is important. So there was a whole host of things behind that, and the class treated her rudely.

Danita Bye: We had to have a conversation about when people are giving your time, you're a representative of this school. And the way that you love your neighbor is by respecting them. And I had to have, I got in this, a pretty serious conversation with them about I need them to, I need them to step up to the plate.

Jim: You know what my third grade teacher would tell me? "Here's the whiteboard," "here's the chalkboard" she would've said, 'cause whiteboards didn't exist when I was in third grade. "I'm gonna have you write sentences, 'I will teach the guest teacher with respect,' and write that 100 times in cursive." That's what she would've said. Maybe that's an idea.

Martha: You know what, I want to just-

Jim: But just the fact that you actually tried to teach a lesson, that's something they're not getting.

Martha: Yeah.

Jim: You're actually trying to teach them character.

Martha: But you were asking, Jim, if kids really care about it, and I want to go back to the fact, Danita, you said, number one, you're serving the whole family. They will care about it when they're adults, when- ... I was that motivated student.

Martha: And I, for the most part, loved to learn. I did study for tests that I never remembered the details because I didn't learn it, so there are regrets that I have, but I'm grateful for the things that I was taught, because as an adult, I've seen how they're valued.

Martha: Kids K through eight are not thinking that way right now, but their parents are, and they're wanting them to get that reinforcement of good lessons that maybe they're struggling with that at home, to say, "How do we treat the neighbor lady when she comes over?" And you're, they can reinforce what's happening at the school, and I think that's the beautiful part of the kind of education that you're providing, is that it is supportive both ways, from the home.

Martha: They're choosing this for their family, and you have permission to speak that into their lives. And so I'm sure it's a slow process. We've all been, we've all been kids before we were grownups, and I know, I know. Jim's mom was a substitute teacher, so she could tell all kinds of stories about how students treated her.

Jim: I tried to get my mom to write a book. Every night she'd come home as a substitute teacher, and around the dinner table she'd tell the stories, and I'm like, "Mom, you need to write a book." It would've been a best-seller. She wouldn't do it. She just wouldn't do it. No.

Martha: Well, she probably protected a lot of people's reputations.

Jim: She probably did, like mine.

Martha: Yes.

Jim: You're teaching kids some radical stuff here, like integrity. Other things. You've got it on your our-philosophy page under christiancrossroadsacademy.org. What are some of those other radical ideas you intend, when those kids graduate from eighth grade right now, but they soon will be 12th grade, what are some of those radical ideas that public education today goes, "We just don't have time to teach that," that you guys are gonna make sure you have time to teach?

Danita Bye: So when I get overwhelmed, I think about our day. We come together, the whole group comes together. We open with a song, that right now we're on This Is the Day the Lord Has Made. We all sing it together. We pray together. We say the Pledge of Allegiance together. Our two-minute conversation today was on integrity, and it, the person who was teaching it was also works with them on PE, and he said, when you run laps, you can't... I won't let you cut corners. That's because when you're taking tests and you're studying, you want to live a life of integrity and not cut corners." I thought, "Wow, that was good."

Martha: That was very good. Very good.

Danita Bye: So I have that. I'm listening to the classrooms, and they're integrating faith and God throughout the classroom. If we have someone who comes to the office who's fallen and hurt their knee, I'll pray with them. If we've had some sort of fight out on the playground, we come together. We're asking them to, you know, confess what was wrong and then to forgive so that we can live in community and harmony. That stuff does not happen in a public school.

Martha: Yeah, and not without intention, even in your school. So let's talk about the parents for a minute. They- I'm sure they're a key element to all of this working. How's, what's their response been day 25?

Danita Bye: The response has been positive. One of the things that we are still working on is our identity as a classical Christian school, and there really are two models. One model is a discipleship model where you're working with Christian families, Christian parents, and you're partnering with them in their call to raise up their students. And then the other model is more of a evangelistic model, where you're more open to who attends.

Danita Bye: Interestingly, I, by wiring, am more evangelistic. That's kinda where my first, that's where I go first. What we've decided as a board, which is really an important identity discussion and a place for us to focus, is that we have identified that we, a criteria for being involved is that we want both parents going to church together. And that decision alone makes an impact on who is interested and who we're serving.

Martha: Sure. Sure.

Jim: Have you got any opposition from the public educators in your town?

Danita Bye: Again, an interesting question. Throughout this renovation process, we've had to go before the city council a number of times. And every single time they have said, "This is a good project. We support you. Whatever you want, yes."

Jim: Wow.

Danita Bye: They have been absolutely wonderful. I also know from what I'm hearing that there are those who say - small town identity - "we're Bluejays. We don't want, we are not supporting anything else." And I know that there are some public school teachers that feel threatened by us. With that said, the superintendent of the public schools here in the area has been wonderful to work with.

Jim: Oh, very cool. Do you think you can reproduce this in another town one day? Once you get it figured out, is it reproducible? As long as there's a lumberyard available, of course.

Danita Bye: As long as there's a lumberyard. On the corner of the highway. My vision for North Dakota is that there would be 30 classical Christian schools across the state. Currently I think there is either six or seven. My original thought is that we would be building a model that would be replicatable. I haven't gotten to that yet where I am seeing that there's a model that could be replicatable.

Danita Bye: I do believe, and I want to help and more than willing to help if anybody were to say, "Danita we're looking for some help and expertise and ideas on how to do this." I would love to share what we've learned, but I'm not, for me personally, and what we've gone through, I'm a little hesitant on what could be replicatable.

Danita Bye: Now, with that said we are also working closely with a startup consulting firm, and the startup consulting firm has - the reason I love working with them, one is that they know about classical Christian education, and we're in rapid learning mode. Next is all of the, not all, a lot of the numbers and back room stuff they do for us, they do all of our QuickBooks. They have ClassReach, so we can do attendance with them. They give us input on curriculum. They give us practical advice about how to handle real-life discipline situations. So they have depth of knowledge, and what they're doing is replicatable. And I would be very comfortable introducing them to someone else as a resource.

Martha: I think the key to our listeners is knowing that you're the kind of person that, "if we have figured something out, I'm happy to help you so you can avoid those things, and I will help you with the resources that I've discovered that are a win and how that can be."

Martha: 'Cause I think, and I think to Jim's question and your hesitation and all of that, I was thinking about the fact that when somebody builds a house, even better yet, buys an old barn and decides it's gonna become a modern house, so all the retrofitting, all the different things, and they've only lived in it for 25 days, are they gonna say, "Yes, I know exactly how to reproduce this again"?

Martha: 'Cause every barn is different. Everybody's style is different. Everybody's city codes are different. But the fact of the matter is that God has taken you from a lumberyard to where you are today is worth celebrating, and all of the things that you have learned along the way can be lessons for other people.

Martha: And we know your heart, Danita, and that you are an open book, and we appreciate that about you so much. Is there any last thing that you want to say to our listeners? Because, just like Jim said at the beginning, you could... a lot of people in your stage of life don't need to be starting a new career. In fact, you don't need that, but God called you to that. So give our listeners some encouragement right now as we close it out.

Danita Bye: The encouragement, I often, in my mind, I have this quadrant. And I want to live in this upper right-hand quadrant of being hearing and obeying. So the song that we sang last week as a team was Trust and Obey. Need to hear what God is calling us, and then we need to obey, and that's how we live a fruitful life.

Martha: Yeah.

Danita Bye: And I think of Psalms 1. We want to, we want to be dwelling in his word, we wanna be dwelling with him so we can be that strong, prosperous, flourishing tree.

Martha: Amen. Good word.

Jim: No matter how old we are.

Danita Bye: Yes, that's right.

Jim: Or where we live. Even in Stanley, North Dakota. Danita Bye, thanks for being back on iWork4Him. Thanks for sharing your latest adventure. What I can't wait for is the follow-up in June after we graduate these kids, and you go, "Here's all the things we've learned." This was incredible. I can't wait to hear it. Thanks, Danita, appreciate it.

Danita Bye: Thank you so much.

Jim: You've been listening to iWork4Him with your hosts, Jim and Martha Brangenberg. We're Christ followers in our workplace. It's our mission field. But ultimately, iWork4Him