4/8/22 - A High Impact Life and Business: Pete Ochs, author of High Impact Life

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Jim: You know, some interviews are a piece of cake to set up and some are not today's. Interview has been in the works for two plus years. Pete Ochs owns an investment firm that owns parts or all of many businesses. One of them is a manufacturing.

Pete also loves Jesus at age 40 Pete was S was successful in getting close to being independently wealthy, but he had a serious case of life dissatisfaction, not unlike king Solomon, as he expressed it in Ecclesiastics, God said, Pete, on a road to satisfaction that took him to prison. And not the way you think today, you're going to hear the story of how Pete interlaces his faith in his business and how that interlacing is changing lives every day, all over camp.

And around the country, Pete Ochs, welcome to iWork4Him,

Pete Ochs: Jim and Martha. It is great to be here and I'm it has been well worth the wait.

Jim: I hope they feel that way at the end of the interview. Why did you become a follower of Jesus?

Pete Ochs: Yes. So GMI would, you know, I was, I had the privilege of growing up in a Christian home and my parents were godly.

Great. And so at the age of 12, literally at a summer camp, I came to Christ and that changed my life. But I will tell you, it probably wasn't until I got to college. I went to college in the early seventies and I think the times then were almost as crazy as they are today. And when I saw the, the nuttiness of the world, I just began to dig deeper because I'd grown up in a small.

Town in, in Kansas. And it was, I was probably fairly sheltered. And so I ran into some other Christians there who just lived the life of Jesus, like I'd never seen. And so I began to fellowship with them. I remember you know, they were very good about encouraging me to be in God's word. When I, I picked up I'd always used.

King James Bible. And they, they gave me a new international version. And I started reading that and I literally read that entire Bible in one setting because I had never seen God's word so alive and come off the page like it did. So I was literally taken by God's word in it. I think I made, I made Jesus my savior at 12.

I think I made him the Lord of my life incoming.

Martha: Hmm, what a powerful message. And it is so true. The more that we read the scripture for ourselves and apply it, let it soak into our own lives. The more we can have that perspective of what God has for us in our lives. And I think that's going to be thread throughout this conversation today.

Jim: So Pete, tell us about your company. What is Capital three all about? It's a Capital III or capital. I, I always say it in my head. Not sure which one it is.

Pete Ochs: Yeah. So we call it Capital III. Okay. And that is because we really want to create three forms of capital economic, social, and spiritual. And, and we'll get into that.

I'm sure at some point in time here, but I spent eight years in the commercial banking business and at the age of 30. Yes, I didn't want it to be an entrepreneur. So I started my own company and that was Capital III. We spent the first eight years of that being the middleman in the sale of privately held companies.

So we would, we would help buyers and sellers put their transaction together. And in the 1990s I violated the number one rule of business, and that is don't fall in love with your inventory. And we ha there was a little business that was available for sale and we bought it. And that started this on a journey.

So during the nineties, we put together a portfolio of companies that we purposed. We purchased, we typically did the leveraged buyout transaction. We put a little down, we leveraged them very hard. We'd rent them for four or five years and then flip them. We made a lot of money doing that. I will tell you that was satisfying to a degree nine 11 hit in 2001.

And it really changed the way we did business. We came very close to going broke and I think God used that to get my attention. So over the next 20 years we'd had you know, we skinnied up we had seven or eight companies. We shrank that down to three. And so today we have really four companies that we're dealing with.

We have a manufacturing company called electrics. We build electrical assemblies. We have a wiring harness company, and that is our wearing harness company. We have a industrial seating company called seat king. We have a run of river hydroelectric project. The company, we build projects in Honduras called Rio energy.

And. We're launching or soon to launch an education coaching company around high impact businesses. So we employ about 1200 folks in three countries today.

Jim: That's fantastic. So, Pete, at what point in time in your life though, did you realize that your work as a business guy, as an entrepreneur, as a, as a professional investor was a ministry and in fact, a fantastic mission field?

Pete Ochs: Yes. Well Jim, that was a. I will tell you, I spent the first eight years of my professional life in the commercial banking business. I had this entrepreneurial itch to start my own business. So I started an investment banking company at the age of 30. I will tell you, the first three years of that were excruciating, I took a seventy-five percent pay cut.

I went from working from eight in the morning, till five at night to five in the morning to eight at night. I did that. For about three years, my wife came to me and said time out and you can't do this anymore. So I agreed not to work on Sunday and only work a half a day on Saturday. And all of a sudden my business flourished.

And I think it was one of those things where God was teaching me a lesson that if you don't honor the Sabbath things aren't going to go that well. So over the next six or seven years, we had a really good run One of the companies that we were the middleman on was a bang. We had found a bank and sold that to a gentleman who was not a banker.

He got in trouble. I got called in to take the bank over and straighten it out. A long story short, I was repossessing assets and suing people and doing everything I could. And I happened to be counter sued by one of those people that I was trying to repossess their business because the bank was in really, it was in deep trouble actually.

I went to my attorney. He said, Pete the prior gentleman, when he loaned that fellow, the money violated a number of banking rules and you're done, I had bought the stock of the bank. So I inherited all the liabilities and I was distraught. I said, no, we've got to go ahead. Long story short, we started depositions went through four or five days.

I was spending $8,000 a day. On Friday. I got up knowing that I was going to start over in life. I was reading in Proverbs six, the Ochs translation that says if you've gotten yourself in a jam, go humble yourself and beg to get out of the jam. So that day I went to the fellow that was suing me and asked if I could speak to him.

His attorney allowed us that to happen. So I went to his office at 2:00 AM Sunday after. He came in. He said, what do you want? So I get up out of my chair. I walk over and I get down on my knees in front of his desk. And I said Lynn I'm a Christian. I was reading to my quiet time on Friday in Proverbs six, that if you've gotten yourself in a jam, go humble yourself and beg to get out of the jam.

I'm I'm I'm this lawsuit has me in a jam. I will go bankrupt. And I'm begging you. Let me out of this lawsuit and. He began to weep uncontrollably. He told me he'd become a Christian 30 days earlier. And in five minutes we had the lawsuit settled for the first time in my life. I understood that God's word could help me in business and it changed my life from there really going forward.

Martha: Wow. So what did that look like? What did that perspective change do w as you started to apply it to your businesses, what did that look like?

Pete Ochs: Martha. I think the, the big thing was I made the switch after that happened, I then sought out some mentors and really began to say, what does that look like?

And I had, I'd never heard of the word stewardship. And all of a sudden I was introduced to the word stewardship versus ownership. And when that happened, it rocked my world. So during the nineties, I just spent my time saying, what does it look like to Sue. God's business. And that is where probably a lot of our philosophy generosity, all of these kinds of things came into being.

And unforuntunately I missed stewardship and I thought it was financial generosity. So we put the hammer down our business. We made a lot of money. We gave a lot of money away, nine 11 rolled around and we about went bang bankrupt again. And I, I looked at God and yeah. Don't you understand what I've done for you really well for you?

I'm sure. Yeah, it it, it, he taught me another lesson and I think I went from pursuing success at age 40 to significance really at age 40. But I think at the age of 50 on that second go round, I went, you know, went from success, holding on tightly to the things that Pete had accumulated to significance, letting God use them as he wanted to really surrender when I was 50.

And. Put everything on the table, God, it's yours. How do you want me to change my life?

Martha: You know, and that's such a huge thing for somebody, especially in your industry where it's stewardship and ownership. Like that's what you, that's what you juggle all day long. And so for God to teach you that lesson, something that we can all learn from what a great thing.

Jim: Yeah. That's what we're going to hear from Pete Ochs. Check them out online, high impact life.com high impact life. And a little later on the show, we're going to give away a copy, a bundle of books and the training, a high impact life. Get tuned in to sign up and call the number (866) 713-9675. We'll be right back with more from Pete Ochs.

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Jim: Hey, welcome back to iWork4Him. As we're talking today with Pete Ochs, you can check them out online. His favorite website is high impact life.com. High impact life.com. Martha.

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Jim: Why don't you tell us about the usefulness? What is, what is this useful for?

Pete Ochs: Oh, Jim, I would say it's useful for the person who has, who thinks that their platform, their job or their career is their purpose in life. Your job or your platform is really just the venue that God's given you to live out your purpose.

I believe that your, our purpose in life is really to honor God. You'll see. On the front of the book, we talk about loving your purpose, living with patient, leveraging your platform. And loving your purpose, I think is really to honor God. I think your patience, once you make that transformation to follow Jesus, we moved from, we moved from pride pleasure and possessions to serving people, to being excellent, being a good steward.

I think it's that, that whole transformation. So we should become patient, not about pride, pleasure, and possessions, but about service excellence and stewardship. When we do that, it really impacts our platform. Which is really contains three things. We call it economic, social, and spiritual wealth or capital.

And the biggest mistake I've made my life is to think that my platform was my purpose. So I would really encourage people not to do that.

Martha: So the one thing I'm curious, and you can just tell us and the listeners all at the same time, there's a companion guide. So this is not necessarily just a journey to take by ourselves.

Tell us what. How that helps us.

Pete Ochs: Yes. So I think one of the most important things I did Martha in my life at the age of 25 was to write my first personal plan so that the habits guide that goes with this really is a step by step guide over eight weeks. It will take you through your own personal plan.

So you'll wind up. Learning how to do a personal mission statement. You'll define your values. You'll then you'll talk about some 50 year goals. We try to think, you get you to think bigger. And then of course, we just set all these particular goals with regards to your family and your work and all those kinds of things.

And I have found. I've written a personal plan every year now for 45 years. And I think it's one of the most important things I do annually.

Jim: How did you do a 25 on your 50 year plan? Cause you're coming up on that. How'd you do?

Pete Ochs: So in the plan back then I called them , which you're familiar with big, hairy audacious goals.

So I set three or four big, hairy audacious goals in my 25 when I was 25. I have achieved all of those goals and I think we oftentimes don't think big enough. I think sometimes there is this thing that you need to think bigger. And I, and I'm, I don't think thinking bigger just to think bigger is what you should do.

I think you should think bigger as to how God can work through you to do things. So I'm a big believer in setting those goals, because I think subconsciously. Maybe everyday. I didn't look at those, but they were in the back of my mind and everything I did, I was working towards achieving those.

Jim: Yeah.

Speaking of super big bee hags, I like call them SB hags, super BX and, and transformational thinking. And really what'd you described in a high impact life is just teaching people, a kingdom mindset, really transforming their thinking, the whole Romans 12, two transformation. And you applied that to capital.

'cause one of your businesses is a manufacturing business. As you mentioned before, what's so unusual about the way you do your manufacturing.

Pete Ochs: So once again, Capital III stands for the creation of economic, social and spiritual capital. Milton Friedman. The renowned economist won a Nobel prize because he made the statement or the philosophy that the purpose of business is to maximize shareholder value.

We think it is greater than that. We think it is to create, make money, but also to build great relationships and ultimately share, you know, the hope that we have in Jesus. So Two of our businesses, actually one's located in seek king is actually located in a maximum security prison. And we have another business now located in a medium security prison called electrics.

So on any given day, we employ about 220 inmates that build Steph force inside of a maximum security prison. We have about a hundred thousand square feet in there this year. We'll build 800,000 seats inside. If you can imagine 12 or 15 semi-loads of material coming in and out of a maximum security prison, it is a, it's definitely a challenge.

Jim: Yeah. Logistic challenge. Let's make sure that there's nothing else we'll see D coming in and those that manufacturing pieces, but they make

Martha: sure of all of that. I'm sure. I'm sure they do. There's probably a few checks and balances.

Jim: Putting a manufacturing facility inside of a maximum meat and medium security prison, little bit of an out of the box idea, but talk about a kingdom impact, your reputation proceeded you, which is why you're on the show today.

This has been a really big deal. Hasn't it?

Pete Ochs: It has been. And if I'm honest with you, Jim, I went in there because of greed. We had, we had a rapidly growing manufacturing company and I could not find enough work. To work, entry-level manufacturing to work in that business. So I went to the local, I'd heard about the work release program, where they literally take inmates and they ship them to your business.

You work them during the day, and then they go back to prison at night. I did that and I did that for a month. And I went back to the warden of the prison and said, I need 10 or 12 more of these guys. He said, I don't have them. But what I have is we are vacating manufacturing space inside of the. And if you could figure out how to move your business inside the walls of a prison, I've got a thousand guys ready to work.

And I said, that is perfect. And within 30 days we had moved a portion of our business inside the walls of a maximum security prison. And that was in 2006.

Martha: Okay. So this is where I get a little excited. So talk about what the result has been of taking that step, even, and I love that. You're honest that you said, you know, this story.

Out of greed, you had a need and you saw a way to get it filled, but isn't that that's creative, but what more has God done as a result of that relationship with the yes,

Pete Ochs: Martha? I had no idea what would happen literally within about 90 days of being inside the prison? God really showed me that this was a place we could have.

Great. So we had had this philosophy of this triple bottom line of business economics, social and spiritual capital. But I think being inside of the prison, it is a desert of human flourishing. There is no money, there are no relationships and there's not very much Jesus. Okay. And so we really began to figure out how we could help these.

I like the parable of the good Samaritan because you know, it talks about the li the th the spiritual guys, the priest and Levi came along and they walked around the guy laying in the ditch dine, but the good Samaritan, and I like to think of him as an entrepreneur came along, picked him up, took him to the hotel, paid for his room, et cetera.

So we try to always lead with economic capital. We want to give you a good job in a. The second thing we want to do is we want to love you. Like, we love ourselves. We want to create a great relationship. And when you do that in this whole, the doors to spiritual capital, literally fly over. How do you pay

Jim: guys in prison?

I mean, cause they're used to getting 20 cents a day for stamping license know, license plates. You can't, I mean, what do they do with the money? I mean, do you actually pay them like normal wages?

Pete Ochs: Kansas is actually one of the leaders in private industry inside of prisons. So we pay our folks a fair wage.

Probably a minimum of $10 an hour up to as high as $25 an hour. We actually don't even set the wage. The state of Kansas will have wage books and they'll look at a welder and maybe has five years of experience. We owe him $18 an hour. So we literally pay what the state of Kansas said is the prevailing wage rate for that particular work that has had a unbelievable.

I will tell you that 25% of that wage comes off the top and goes back to the state of Kansas for room and board. Okay. So this year's there's probably a, this year, there'll be 1.5 million paid by our inmates that go back to the state of Kansas for room and board. Also, restitution comes out. Child support comes out.

They have money. They cost 17 cents a minute to visit with your family. If you're talking on a prison, So, if you make 50 cents a day, you simply don't have family relationships because you can't visit with them. Our guys probably spend 20, 30, $40 a week just speaking with their family.

Martha: So the impact of that, being able to build those relationships and, and have conversation with their own family as a result of being employed, that that's just one tip of the iceberg that we wouldn't have any perspective on.

If we have not lived in that world. That's just amazing.

Jim: So, I mean, we, we gotta take a break. When I come back, I want to ask this question. I want to know how do you manage people inside of prison? Because that means you have to send, you got to send people to prison in order to work, to manage the people that are working inside the prison who were supposed to be there.

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He's got an incredible story. I hope you're enjoying as it lays out for us here on the podcast. High impact life.com. If you want to see what Pete has done in his businesses and apply it to your own at what he's doing at Capital III, do it in your own high-impact life.com high impact life.com. Pete has said before the break, I want to ask this question, okay, you got all these inmates, you know, and we all, we always joke about, you know, don't let the inmates out of the building.

Well, this case you can't let the inmates out of the building and they're building your they're manufacturing, the stuff that you sell, how do you manage those people? Are you. Paul and in managers, are you sending managers to prison so they can make, I mean, tell us how this works.

Pete Ochs: Yes. So we have about let's the current time, about 220 inmates working for us.

I am guessing that on a average day, 25 to 30 of our people will literally go inside of the prison and manage those folks. So we have, you know, the general manager will have. We literally have inmates doing very sophisticated computer aided design workforce. So we'll have managers over various departments.

So those people are very committed and they have, I will tell you they've bought into our vision of, of really changing the world through helping inmates. We have a a saying in our business that leaders bring vision, humility and courage to a team. And the vision that we have cast for the inmates is that we want to have the best prison in the United States of America.

And the way we will have that prison the way we, it will be the best prison is that if they are the best inmates. So our promise to them is that we will help you do whatever it takes to help you become the best person you can be, be in prison. So we have all kinds of social programs. We have 15,000 hours of training.

We started a seminary in the prison. We've had eight graduate, we've got 23 currently in tow. We built a million dollar church inside of the prison. So there are just this multitude of things. We teach them generosity. We challenged them a couple of years ago to build one house in Ecuador that was demolished by.

An earthquake and they built three. And so we match everything they do. So they're just to S to see when you, when you give someone a good job and you love them, like he loved him set. And you give them the hope that you can have in Jesus yet totally transforms them. And it has been a really, really powerful thing, you know,

Martha: Pete, and I think that's one of the things that gets Jim and I so excited is that number.

I mean, there's so many things we could focus in on, but the fact that God gave you the opportunity to look at a situation very creatively and say, how can. We all be winners in this situation, but then the fact that you have this core values that you're, you're touching on, you know, the economic, the social and the spiritual, and you just very quickly showed us a lots of things that are happening inside the prison, in all of those areas.

And we know this is just the tip of the iceberg and it's not your only business. And it's not the only way that God is doing this. But what I hope the listeners hear is that. We can all be creative. We can all ask him to give us solutions beyond what we could ever imagine. I had never, ever heard of anything like this happening inside the walls of a prison and to hear the opportunity and the.

You know, you are, you are being the tool for second chances for a lot of people. And the, the, just the ripple effect of that, that you will never know how it's impacted them is so exciting. And I just want the listeners for all of us to say, Lord, what do you have in, what do I have responsibility over?

And what can I be doing with that? And have it be more than just the economic impact. Going beyond that and the flourishing that's happening in that prison alone, let alone the homes that then see it. So

Jim: let's start with us. So what is that impact on the lives of your workers while they're in prison and then after they get out, because you've got a rotating workforce because people would go to prison in maximum security, maybe they're in there for a long time, but the medium security they're in and out.

I mean, what talk about the impact?

Pete Ochs: Sure. Let's start with economic impact, but first they have a job and they're learning a trade. Oftentimes they'll leave us with five. We had men leave us with 50 to $70,000 of cash. Many of them start jobs. Two men got out two months ago and they've started a welding shop.

We hooked them up with other businesses in town that needed subcontract, welding. I can tell you One of the inmates that got out that was in for life and literally got out because he bought into this vision of being the best inmate that he could be at earned. He wrote a 40 page manual on how to be the best inmate that earned him, a parole hearing.

He eventually got out. He now runs a company called redemption, a redemption Inc. And it's a tattoo shop and he literally. Just signed a multi-million dollar contract with Netflix to talk about and to show how he is redeeming gangs and gang tattoos through this business of his. So it's, it's just amazing.

The greatest thing probably we see is that, you know, they have relationships with their families. And then, you know, our, our ultimate goal is to share the love of Jesus with them. Many of them come to Christ, some don't, but they've all heard the good news.

Jim: So, I mean, they're in prison in Kansas somewhere and they get out.

Do you have jobs for them in manufacturing after they get out? Like, do you have some inmates that could get out of prison, but go back to work in prison every day because they get out, but they have a job. I mean, how's that.

Pete Ochs: Sure. So we do have some jobs available and if we have a job, we will definitely hire them.

We probably have 10 or 12 working force. Now, if not, we have really good relationships with many businesses around Wichita throughout Kansas, and we'll literally get on the phone and it doesn't take very long for them to get a job. I will tell you one other major statistic that is just amazing. The recidivism rate.

That's the rate that inmates come back to prison over a five-year period is typically about 70%, seven 0%. Ours is 7%. So if you run those numbers at a cost of about 30,000 per year to house an inmate, the economic impact alone to the state of whatever state is amazing. Send

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He knows the president. Imagine if we could actually attack crime like this in every state of the union and all seven territory. Hmm, a beat. It's just, it's UN that's staggering. That is staggering numbers. Recidivism rate to be reduced by 63 to 63% from 70 to 7%. That's a staggering Martha final question.

Martha: It is so P you know, God obviously is not done with you. Yet you, he has done so many things through you that he is allowed your fingers to touch, including the writing of this book, a high impact life that we've been talking about. And remember the all the links will be in the show notes for getting access to that at a discounted rate.

But what does God have for you next? What are you doing now in this next stage? Whatever that may be to help transform lives and influence the marketplace.

Pete Ochs: You bet. So I turned 72 weeks. And, and so I will tell you the last three or four years of my life has been a challenge for me. I liked the fight.

I love business. I'm an entrepreneur, but I've also realized that there are stages of in life that you need to, you have to change. I had to let the younger generation of leaders in our business step up and take over. So if I have really work the last two or three years to say, how am I going to spend my seventies?

And how's it going to be the most impactful? So we are about to come out with a new book called high impact business, and we literally take you through, I've just gone back and looked at our business for the last 20 years. And I've taken all of our operating systems and all of our procedures. And we really talk about the four key disciplines of business.

What's the purpose of your business? The why question who what's the strategy of your business, basically? Who are you serving? How, how do you operate, which is the operations of your business and what is your impact or your, and that's the execution of businesses. We are hopefully launching this summer an online literally an online MBA program to learn how to do high impact business.

So I'm really excited about that. I love young people and I love business. So that's really been going to be my first.

Jim: Pete, we could talk for hours and we've already talked for over a half an hour. I just can't. Thank you enough for the time you've taken, just to share your story, to share the inspiration.

I'm hoping that everybody listening, today's thinking about how can I do, how can I hear the Lord to do something totally innovative? Let's, let's get it to be reproduced in prisons across America. And then let's bring those manufacturing businesses back to small town America, where there is a desperate need for jobs all over the Midwest and around the country.

Pete Ochs. Thank you so much for being an iWork4Him today.

Pete Ochs: Jim and Martha has been great to be here. I love the key is to work for him. So I really appreciate what you all are doing. Stay at it.

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